Narcissistic Silent Treatment

The Deafening Brutality of the Narcissistic Silent Treatment

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Is the narcissistic silent treatment abuse?

Feeling included is crucial to the human experience.  Humans must feel connected to each other to be happy, even introverts who enjoy a large amount of independence.

According to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, the need to belong and feel accepted falls under the basic needs of food, water, and safety.  In fact, this need can be so strong, it can override the need for food and safety.

Psychologists consider the narcissistic silent treatment a form of abuse.  It’s a popular form of mental torture used by narcissistic individuals, whereby they cut their victims off by not talking to them for extended periods of time. Sometimes days or weeks, which keeps the victim in a constant state of fight-or-flight during which they feel isolated and rejected, as well as physically sick. 

The body’s physical reactions to this mental anguish are real. Headaches, stomachaches, and a general punched-in-the-gut feeling are the most commonly reported symptoms.

Narcissistic Silent Treatment is Done With Malice

It’s important to remember when you are at the receiving end of the narcissistic silent treatment to not take it personally.  This is not the narcissist’s first go-round.  They have been using the silent treatment to manipulate people long before you came along. 

However, knowing this doesn’t really take away the pain when it’s happening to you

When the narcissist ignores, shuns, and ostracizes you, it’s more hostile and aggressive than if they’d verbally attacked you.  In fact, narcissists give their significant others (and even their own children) the Silent Treatment to intentionally inflict emotional distress. 

The narcissistic silent treatment slams the door on connection, diminishes the relationship, and manipulates the recipient into a place where their human, emotional needs are shamed, ridiculed, and reduced. It is scheming and tactical.

They want to send a very clear message to you —

You do not exist!  You are unworthy!  You are not important!

Because this type of abuse is harder to specify, it can be harder to heal from.  When someone is ostracized it affects the part of their brain called the anterior cingulate cortex.  Silent treatments trigger what is called “social pain” in this part of the brain, which also detects actual physical pain, leaving just as many internal scars as if it were done to your body.

But, the narcissistic silent treatment is often more painful than actual physical pain.  If you try to recall physical pain, you might not remember much. But, remembering emotional pain can actually stir up more negative feelings and pain than old physical pain. Thinking about emotional pain hurts more than thinking about physical pain.

The depth of pain from the silent treatment depends upon the intensity of the narcissist’s ignoring. The pain detected by the brain then makes the victim feel lonely and rejected.

It lowers self-esteem and the victim thinks their life is unworthy. It causes great harm to the sentiments of the victim. This condition may even cause critical conditions and permanent damage to the victim’s psyche.

Narcissists use this fear to keep you in a perpetual cycle of anxiety, causing you to crave their return when they give you the Silent Treatment, knowing they can do whatever they please and you will take them back with little opposition.  You might verbalize your dislike of their choice and explain how hurtful it is, but take away the words and the fact is that they insert themselves back into your life with barely a hitch.

Narcissistic silent treatment is an aggressive measure of control and punishment for something you did; a sadistic form of “time-out”, ostracizing you as motivation for you to behave.  It is the ultimate form of devaluation, causing you to feel voiceless, alone, dismissed, negated as a person; invisible. 

The detrimental, holistic effects of the narcissistic silent treatment include:

  1. Emotional – Since it is a form of social rejection; it provokes a mix of negative emotions including frustration, intense anger, and eventually, resignation and despair.
  2. Psychological – Psychological effects of the silent treatment include low self-esteem, a sense of loss and not belonging, increased stress, and loss of control.
  3. Behavioral – The constant fear of receiving the silent treatment casts a shadow of uncertainty in your life, you begin to second-guess yourself: Am I doing the right thing? Am I saying the right words? You try hard to avoid it, which changes you to a person that is no longer YOU.
  4. Physical – Different levels of emotional stress often lead to physical symptoms and illnesses, such as high blood pressure, heart disease, cognitive decline, weight loss or gain, blood clots, and even certain types of cancer.

Examples of Narcissistic Silent Treatment

  • You point out that something they did was unacceptable (i.e., cheating, lying) and the narcissist leaves and stays gone for a week.  Then, comes back to your door as though nothing ever happened.
  • The two of you exchange text messages regarding an important issue.  The narcissist texts “Bye” and you don’t hear from them again for five days.  Or, they say they’ll come over then never show up, nor explain their absence afterward.
  • You sit down beside the narcissist to talk about something that’s bothering you and they proceed to read the newspaper.
  • You ask the narcissist a question, and they carry on as if they didn’t hear you, even if you repeat the question a second or third time.
  • The two of you get into an argument.  The narcissist packs their suitcase and stays gone for a month with no attempt to contact you and ignores any texts you may send them.
  • Your beloved pet dies and instead of being there for you emotionally, the narcissist reacts with cold indifference and perhaps even expresses “disgust”, accusing you of taking advantage of the situation to get a shred of emotion from them.

How to Handle the Narcissistic Silent Treatment

When you love the narcissist, it’s almost impossible to even think of ways you might stand up for yourself due to the threat of the narcissist disappearing again

But, what many victims of narcissistic abuse confuse for love is really a manifestation of their fear of abandonment, which has been magnified by frequent silent treatments, as well as the devalue and discard phases carried out by the sadistic narcissist. 

As a result, they remain in a constant state of fight-or-flight, with no seeming choice but to suffer through panic attacks, loss of appetite or binge-eating, rapid heartbeat, sleep disturbances, mood swings, and horrible, undying fear and obsessive thinking.

If someone in your life has used this form of emotional abuse to get you to comply with their demands, you should consider using the opportunity to initiate No Contact.  Do not reward this passive-aggressive abuse tactic, as it will lead to them doing it even more since they derive a sense of satisfaction (if not “guilty” pleasure) at seeing the negative effect they can have on you.

When a narcissist uses the silent treatment against you, he or she is playing an emotional game of chicken with your mind. You will be tempted to reach out and speak first. When you do, the narcissist will have considered your reconciliation action a form of “flinching.” In their gamebook, they win, and you lose.

Since narcissists don’t experience emotions the same way most people do, it is much easier for them to keep their “cool” and not flinch or swerve in their emotional chicken game.

Don’t send pleading text messages or lengthy emails asking them to respond to you.  From their perspective, it proves to them that they are highly important, even more important than you are to yourself.

Do, however, be prepared if the narcissist tries to hoover you.  You might erringly believe that they are trying to contact you because they miss you or because they are having second thoughts about the way they’ve treated you. 

But this is not the truth at all.  The narcissist only reaches out after a bout of narcissistic silent treatment to see if you’ll allow them to get away with their bad behavior.

After a week or more of the silent treatment, many narcissists will absolutely test you to see if you are still willing to engage with them as if nothing happened. If there are no consequences or boundaries in place to stop them, a Narcissist will do whatever suits their needs of the moment. In this case, this includes dropping in and out of your life whenever they get the urge.

Implementing No Contact during the silent treatment in a relationship would put you back into a place of power because when they prance back onto the scene believing you’ll fall to their feet, they’ll encounter nothing but the sound of crickets.

If this article resonates with you and you know it’s time to stop the chaos, end the mental torture, and begin healing your life, join our newsletter.  Our unique blend of knowledge equips you with a clearer, more accurate picture of narcissistic abuse and recovery. Don’t settle for incomplete information. When you sign up for our newsletter, you empower yourself with the understanding you need to heal and thrive.


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Mary says March 31, 2022

That was my “h’s” go to…. Early in the marriage he would give excuses that he wasn’t feeling well and that’s why he cut me off… but as the years past, I noticed that we could NEVER get any resolution to any issues…if I brought a topic I needed to discuss, there would first be a blameshifting, then a change of subject… and finally the “Silent Treatment”! It was infuriating… to be dismissed in this way is so hurtful… but he always came back a day, a week later as if everything was perfectly fine in the marriage….
But in the meantime…. I went from confusion to despair to awakening to boundaries…. Which finally led to me getting my power back which escalated the Silent Treatments”!
The day the moving truck came was the day I told him this (he hadn’t talked to me for 3months)
“You may have thought going silent on me was a position of power, but I call it a position of weakness… you didn’t show up for this relationship… so, if it’s silence you want? It’s silence you can have… in full measure”!
And then I walked out the door and never went back…. And I never heard his voice again…. Yes he did start sending me all kinds of txts… starting with blanket apologies and then when that didn’t work… he got really mean and nasty… even saying it wouldn’t go well for me in judgment day!!!!
Well, I’m out and still healing…

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Alison says February 17, 2020

It is not my partner who does this. I have no partner. It is my son. My only child. He is 41. Since he married, almost 20 years ago, our relationship deteriorated quickly. He had “no time for me”.
I am rarely included in family celebrations. My invitations always ignored. My calls ignored. My messages not answered. About 10 years ago he slipped into full on abusive behaviour. When i tried to reconcile he poured verbal abuse on me. “I’m sick of you and Aunt Chris and Grandma.” I raised this boy alone. Single Mum all the way. So this is a huge loss. He has three daughters that I rarely see.
He has cut off the eldest granddaughter now. Hasn’t spoken to her in two years. She had trouble accepting his choice to leave the marriage And move in with the girlfriend. So she is cut off. She and I have bonded over this. it somehow makes me see that I am not the only one he does this too.
Yes I feel useless. I do not try to forge bonds. If my own son can turn on me i must be useless.
It is painful to be left out of family celebrations. To be forgotten on my birthday or Christmas. To have to read family news on. Facebook. To have nobody support me at important functions. I feel like an outcast.
Depression? Yes. Sleep disturbance? Oh yes. Wake up crying? Yup. Tears at inappropriate times? Too often.
I stopped trying at Christmas when he responded to my Attempt at conciliation with yet another “disowning” text. “You are wrong. Blood does not matter. I have a new chosen family who choose to support me etc etc”. A huge slap in the face. I have read the letter he wrote Jordie (my eldest grandchild). No father should write such words to his daughter. As ugly as any he has written me.
I feel like I have wasted my life raising him. Putting my needs on hold until he was older. Putting him first. What a stupid fool I was.
And how does one explain the situation? Really it ruins everything.

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    Kathy Barr says June 27, 2021

    I am so terribly sorry you are having to endure this, and will pray for you. I have been through a similar situation that causes pain and the only way I could handle it was to find another “family”. For me it was a church; you need to find a group where you can make new friends. this way, you won’t feel like a victim, as you are taking controlling of your life and meeting your needs. Praying for your realization that God loves you and wants what is best for you. I’m sorry your son is treating you in such an abusive way.

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Matthew Gerome says February 16, 2020

I have experienced this
” Silent treatment”.
This was the most brutal,destructive effect anyone or thing for that matter has had upon myself and my life.Silence can do horrible damage! As you stated it can be worse than physical abuse.I have experienced physical abuse as well and I would take being beaten down any day over what waking up one morning to realize that you are dead.I was Dead to my abuser,her daughters,her friends.I had been set up as a verbally abusive man.After 2days of not responding to my messages I was simply told “thanks !see ya around maybe in this life or the next!” This was done by text in the middle of aborting what I thought was my child.
I did become angry but there was no threat and my words were not abusive.
I never spoke to her it was All in a half dozen texts.
I never spoke to her ,her daughters,her friends ever again.Going on 2yrs now.
These people are all of a mennonite background.
I Don’t mean “Old Order” I mean progressive liberal hipster mennonite.They drive Prius not buggies.They got degrees in “social justice” and “conflict resolution” not in the milking parlor or baking hay.The hypocrisy combined with the Silence has been maddening !
I am sorry to go on in this manner I know Everyone on your site has a story.You have probably heard enough. Thank you Kim for this article! People need to know how damaging this type of abuse is.

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    Geraldine says February 17, 2020

    Hugs. Remember it’s them not you. You are the strong one. You can pick yourself up I promise you and never look back

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    Carol says September 14, 2021

    I too have experienced the silent abuse of a covert narcissist..He would use it until I would cave and do what he wanted..Upon his moving out the silence was for weeks.He totally abandon me and it almost broke me..Now knowing it was Him way of control and manipulation l see how broken He is and l am
    So glad to be free

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Linda L Wilson says December 22, 2019

I was married to a narcissist that once game me the silent treatment for six months. Imagine his surprise when he was served with divorce papers and I said NOTHING to him. I won that round forever. 🙂

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    Victoria says June 10, 2021

    We are separated and I don’t see him hardly ever. The only thing he texts is good morning. Yet he texts my daughter’s etc..everything I say…he gives silent treatment. For years now. Just sickening. To Mathew Jerome and Linda Wilson. I feel your pain and your feeling of you won the final round.

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Anonymous says November 10, 2019

Kim…thank you for the article. i have realised that i have the behaviour of a narcissistic person. I’ve been suspecting for awhile because I am just too disconnected from people but when I first meet them, I am overly joyous,helpful, want to know more about them etc. but later on, every feeling dies inside of me. I no longer want to associate with them even though I have already given the false impression of being interested in them.. then comes the “silent treatment” as in, they send a message and I answer like days later, sometimes even without and explanation.

i don’t have any close friends. some people have seen through me already and they have distanced themselves. I used to have a friend whom I admired(I was SO JEALOUS of her smartness) and she told me once, “you aren’t sincere”. this had hit a nail in my head. messed me up because she was right. I’m never sincere. I act. I act.

Recently in another article, I’ve read that narcissistics don’t have personalities. they’re hollow and they mimic other people. This is so true. For years I had tried to know what was this hollowness inside of me when it came to people. When I see someone (no matter the gender) if they have the features or personality traits that I wished to have, I’d become immensely jealous of them but also try hard to be liked by them.

For years people had told me I have a creepy stare. Now I realise that’s the judging part of me showing through the cracks. It’s the narcissistic stare.

I don’t know how to deal with this new information I’ve discovered about myself. I don’t know. But I know deep down that it’s not something that people should be exposed to.

I’m writing this so that I can get it through to someone and so that you can get the viewpoint of the other side, I guess. thank you for the article..

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Katja says October 28, 2019

Dear Kim,
this article is very clear and helpful. I did not see the full picture until I have read this. It makes perfect sense. My grandmother and my mother would treat me and other people in their life this way. But in addition to what you wrote they always expected an appology to go back to normal. At a very young age my grandmother would sent me to a room where I had to stay alone until I would appologize. I appologized without knowing what I even had done only to get spoken to again. When I went into puberty I would sometimes not appologize if I had no idea for what and it would go on for days. My father forced me to appologize to her even though he knew that it was not right because he could not stand the situation. In my marriage of 22 years my husband would answer every attempt of me to draw a boundary or discuss controverse issues by silent treatment.

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Vanessa says October 25, 2019

I believe I’m experiencing the silent treatment, though it’s not quite as described in the article. I will ask my husband a question, often just a simple question like, “Would you like a cup of tea?” and he won’t answer. It always takes me asking three times Before I get an answer. Also, what also seems like the silent treatment (because it shows he hasn’t been listening to me) is the fact that he will say something trivial to me when I’m sharing things with him that are important to me. These things have made me feel like I’m not heard and that he doesn’t really care about me. And, of course, when I bring it up, it turns into an argument with him blaming me. I set up a boundary that I would only ask once and if I’m interrupted, I won’t finish. This does bother him, however, it has done nothing to stop the abuse.

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Kristen Coates says July 11, 2019

Kim, this article is stunning. I read all your emails but for me today this one is so comprehensive and hits the nail on the head. Finally I’m reaching the point where I am waiting for his next silent treatment so they I can capitalise upon it to go no contact. I didn’t think I’d ever reach this point but thanks to all
of your incredible emails, posts and the essential bootcamp, I have built myself up to the point where I feel I will be able to block him out for good. I can’t thank you enough for your insight and clarity of expression about this horrifying and devastating abuse which is so insidious because it is intangible and invisible.

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    Kim Saeed says July 13, 2019

    I am so touched to know that my article has given you the motivation to leave your situation, Kristen. Thank you so much for reading my material and sharing your experience. I truly and deeply wish you all the best as you make your exit plan.

    Hugs,

    Kim XoXo

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    Victoria says June 10, 2021

    Kristen Coates,
    I am where you were a year ago. I’d like to know how you are doing now, a year later. God bless

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Sue F says May 23, 2019

No contact is the only way to go. It is an insidious form of emotional or psychological abuse. Doesn’t matter who it is, family, friend, co-worker or whatever. Give them a wide berth.

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Yasmin Omar says April 17, 2019

I’ve been in a state of emotional torture and torment by my 28 year old daughter for 18 months – she moved to her boyfriends place in a huff, never informed me they were buying a house together, and took some of my furniture she’d used when living in a flat near her work. She’s a medical doctor and her boyfriend’s family ( now future in laws) are over the moon about her because she’s smart, pretty, a medical doctor, ambitious, a go-getter, high-flyer, and they are also nouveau riche, live the high life, father boasts all the time and he controls my daughters fiancee.He got him to leave his job and take over his business as he wants to retire. I suspect her fiancee is also narcissistic. He never accepts being wrong about something( a simple maths problem) he hates losing at board games, was always too good good to be true as many people remarked – the perfect gentleman, treating me with so much respect and politeness. Yet my ‘relationship’ with him was very superficial. I never felt I could talk to him about serious world issues – politics etc. He doesn’t read at all and I don’t think his family does either. We come from a home of reading, art movies and fine music. This is not evident in his family. At first, when my daughter and I started having difficulties, and I’d want us to talk, she’d fold her arms and stare at the ceiling..I’d ask her gently to please look at me and she’d sigh and roll her eyes – so how do I feel I want to talk when I’m getting these messages? We used to have a great bond – mother- daughter bond but share the same love of books, movies, wear each others clothes, go for walks together, eat out etc. She has always been a free spirit and wanted to travel widely. However, since she’s moved in with him, and is engaged, which he pushed for, and is now pressurising her into marriage ( backed by his family ) she has alienated me completely. We went abroad together for a week of what I hoped would be ‘quality time’ to reconcile. It was a disaster. I asked her umpteen times “Why?” but no answer…so I hoped it was to mend our relationship. It was a disaster – I was snapped at, humiliated, insulted, made to feel like the prize village idiot…she always was rushing..so I couldn’t even stop to admire anything..I was barked at ” you’re so slow” “are you deaf?” …I felt like a burden and embarrassment. She treated me like a child. She was constantly o the phone with her fiancee . She is now working on a cruise liner and she knows this has always been my dream but I’ll never be able to afford it – it was taken that I’d join her in the Mediterranean . It’s free for family because of her rank. I just have to pay my flight to join her. Now she’s mailed me to say she doesn’t want me on board – I make mean remarks which hurt people and I have this need to destroy relationships. her fiancee has blocked me because I had asked about him calling me to come to the airport when she’d left the first time ( we’d greeted at home and I said I wasn’t coming to the airport because I didn’t see the point of putting on a show for his parents when my heart was breaking) he called umpteen times, saying she really loved me, and wanted me there..this was hell…I was being pressurised to put on a show when I was sobbing at home, and he sent an Uber to fetch me. This was to save face . I asked him if those were his words or hers – and she knew I wasn’t coming so why??? I just wondered why she hadn’t been open with him. The response was disrespectful, childish and rude – ” nobody asked for your opinion….”
I was so hurt and insulted – this guy who opened car doors for me etc…I left it and after 5 days sent a text..mentioning his name and thanking him for showing his true colours at last. That’s when she totally banned me from the cruise because I’d been rude to him??? and now it’s the silent treatment…no response to my emails or texts . I apologised to both ( but he has blocked me) because I can’t live with this animosity. She’s being vindictive, unkind, mean, and showing her power and control. All the time she was here she avoided me – I plan to go away for 6 months to work abroad and she’s against it and said we need to talk about it – yet she kept avoiding the ‘talk’ – her power and control??? Thank you – I see I need to NOT contact her at all, and get on with my life and do what I want to do. She has NO say over my life. She was never like this and I feel since this guy came into her life she’s changed – not immediately – but since he got the ring on her finger . Do you think he also is narcissistic? He is very smug, arrogant, self-satisfied, stubborn – a clone of his father.

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JACQUELINE BAXTER says April 12, 2019

Yes its a very painful headgame that keeps you walking on eggshells. Very cruel inhumane form of punishment for something you did or didnt do, something you said or didnt say or even the way you worded what you said. I usually didn’t even know what it was that i did or said the wrong way for at least a wk. But he would still expect marital favors at night. No dude the rulez are you have to be nice to me during the day if you want me to be nice to you at night. So glad i got away ftom him 14 yrs ago and didn’t look back. Now hes punishing some other poor woman.

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Broken says April 12, 2019

please could you help me with some guidance.Everything I read I’m aware of the counselling sessions I’ve gone to I’m aware of but being aware is different to how you feel I cannot connect anything.
I feel I am dying slowly inside and as much as I try to slowly change this outa locus of evaluation I just seem to get worse.My story is too long but was in narcisstic marriage for 21 years I already identify when meeting him at age 16 I was looking for acceptance as my mother was narcissistic.Forward 21 years a lot happend to escualte me escaping with 5 children all varies ages and even at the end child protection believed me and helped moved me to safe house a lot was being played by him.On the outside looking in you will say I was lucky I escaped still in same town with my children I got a council house and got a divorce.But on the inside the story isn’t quite clean cut and too long to explain.Yes my inner wounds are abandonedment from early age,yes I still get flying monkeys,the new supply everything what they are capable of but at what cost does reality you have to deal with of aftermath and what happend end.Im totally on my own no family yes I’ve done groups a lot of college course including counselling but I feel dead inside I’m existing only so much any agencies can help then they go away my mental state hasn’t changed.I feel from my weak personality I can’t bring the children up as I wanted to so much a single parent can do alone even worse that society influences them.The dad hasn’t gone near them just spreading his venom.I know it’s me who has to change my inner being but the more I try the worse it gets.Nothing worse than living when you don’t want to.

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Jerry H. says April 11, 2019

This post is spot on once again Kim. Mine used to shut her self in the bed room for DAYS, only to get up and go to work, come home and do it again. I fixed her butt once and moved out while she was at work and rented an apartment for 6 months. BUT, like an idiot, after her begging ME, I went back home and after a few weeks it started all over again. One night we got in to a fight and the next day she went to work and I moved out again and NEVER went back. Six years ago!!! DONE.

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Anonymous says April 11, 2019

Especially brutal coming from a parent to a young child.

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    Kim Saeed says April 12, 2019

    It’s absolutely despicable.

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Tatiana says April 11, 2019

At the end of the relationship you totally come to realize that narcissist are good for nothing, they market themselves like if they are an irresistible catch only for you to come to terms that they have made you waste your time, money, your sleep and the opportunity to move forward, which is probably the lesson that you need to learn.

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    Jerry H. says April 11, 2019

    You hit the nail right on the head.

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Anonymous says April 11, 2019

I understand that “no contact” seems to be the answer for most everything, but that’s the hardest part! I wish I had the ability to turn on and off like they do.

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Carol says April 11, 2019

This is 200% my ex Narc husband and uses our kids as flying monkeys what do I do? It’s been 2 1/2 years!

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    Tatiana says April 11, 2019

    Do your best to purge him out of your life, then no matter what he does it will mean nothing to you. Its a process more easily said than done, but there is no other way, these people never change, they do and very easily, process every attachment that you may have, and breathe. These people are very toxic.

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Anonymous says March 13, 2019

Mine was a narcassist and a Scientologist.What a combination.

Our relationship unfolded online.
The silent treatment I have had a lot. This time is the worst as I realise he never cared for me at all or my feelings and I had actually supported his chosen spirtual path even though I wasn’t a scientologist. I know I dogged a bullet but very sad and confused.

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Roberto says August 31, 2018

A very clear and much helpful article

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Deborah Rivers says August 27, 2018

I get the silent treat every week at least once for 3-4 days. So I told him he’s a narc and the silent treatment isn’t going to bother me any more because I know what he’s doing acting like a child of 12 and that I don’t give a damn if he ever speaks to me again. And that I enjoy the peace and quiet.

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Laurie says August 26, 2018

My now ex texted me on his way to work on my birthday to tell me he was leaving I packed his stuff he picked it up and haven’t heard a word from him in 2 yrs!

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    Kim Saeed says August 27, 2018

    Good for you 🙂

    Kim

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    Carol says April 11, 2019

    Your blessed mine has also disappeared with new supply he’s a psychopath I believe and only contacts me if “MONEY” is involved, lol! He flaunted his new supply in my face at first but no longer I’m so done!?

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Tanja says August 26, 2018

Sometimes the silent treatment is a blessing. It gives you time to reflect on the relationship with this person, see it for what it is and learn to let go in the process. If they have been gone for a period of time, let them stay gone.

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Amy says August 26, 2018

I was married to a narc. On dating scene now. This one group promotes ‘leaning back and giving space’ if the man is silent? I have gone days without communication but finally texted this man and said i need communication and honesty which he knew. He previously had said he had issues that he was not willing to explain and he was distancing. Is that different cause he is letting me know about him processing? Please help!

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    Melanie Jean Mayfield says December 23, 2019

    “Issues that he’s not willing to explain”?? RED ALERT. I can understand him not wanting to reveal personal details about being abused or in an accident, etc; but, having “issues” doesn’t give him an excuse to be cold and inconsiderate.

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Tera Clouse says July 16, 2018

I never realized the silent treatment was a form of devalue. I had struggled to see the devalue and discard phases with my ex because I couldn’t get him to leave. He was needy/clingy and often resorted back to love bombing as a form of making up for his bad behavior. I experienced every form of silent treatment, and eventually started calling it what it was and acting like I didn’t care anymore if he did it (actually was nice to just have the peace). Once it stopped giving him what he wanted, he didn’t do it anymore, but he escalated in other ways. Particularly his paranoia that I would leave him or have an affair.

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Anonymous says May 2, 2018

what if the narc gives you the silent treatment but they are the only person you have to talk to

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    Kim Saeed says May 11, 2018

    Better to be alone than with someone who emotionally abuses you every day. Alternately, find a MeetUp group, join an activity at your local parks and rec center, etc. You don’t have to isolate yourself with an abuser.

    Best,

    Kim

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    Tanja says August 26, 2018

    Anonymous, there are others to talk to. Don’t let yourself be taken in of the fact that the Narc is the only one. Let the silent treatment be your guide in what you want and need in your life. Let the silent open you up in order for you to see you and know your worth. Let the silent lead you into a new life that you deserve. Don’t be afraid of the silent, because you will hear noise again but by then hopefully you will be able to let go of the noise coming from the Narc.

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merve says March 24, 2018

This article has been so eye-opening. I thought I was the only one being treated like this. Sadly, I realize now after reading it that each and every single time I fell for the Narcissist’s trap and plead for an end to the cruel silent treatment. I would have never imagined this was actually a sick tactic. I am at awe finding all out about the manipulation tactics this person has pulled on me for years. Thank you for the help.

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Chrissyanthemum says March 6, 2018

My POS ex-narc pulled this crap on me twice, each time disappearing for three days without me hearing from him at all. I was PISSED and, since actions speak louder than words, decided to give him a taste of his own medicine by giving HIM the silent treatment in response. The degree of his panic and hysteria was incredible once he realized that I was not sitting around crying and eager to talk to him. Phone call after phone call after phone call, once he was finished “punishing” me, he blew up my phone and even threatened to call the police because he was “sure something must have happened that I would not be answering.” Both times, he ended up on my doorstep, wild-eyed and scared that he’d finally gone too far. It worked, though…he never disappeared on me again (although, in retrospect, I should have called it quits right there! He still continued to pull EVERY OTHER trick in the narcissist’s arsenal, though, eventually leading me to end the relationship in order to preserve my own sanity).

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Carol says February 11, 2018

Agreed I had to file for divorce after 24 years I could see in his face the mask was slipping. More and more silent treatments, sneaking around, lying, flirty texts with strangers I was DONE. His mother is also a TOXIC Narc and you can see the evil inside her eyes.

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Carol says February 11, 2018

My cheating husband went no contact nearly a year ago he’s a psychopath and I got tired of his affairs inside our Family home. I will NEVER try to contact him he disgusts me. He even abandoned our beautiful dog in the discard so shameful a 53 year old man!?

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Tony says January 24, 2018

Great article. I’m a big man who can take a beating physically and verbally. But receiving the silent treatment is torment.
Good advice regarding not initiating contact, ive done this before. She comes back, knowing I’m waiting for her……not anymore

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    Kim Saeed says January 25, 2018

    Glad you’ve decided to stick to your guns, Tony! Wishing you all the best!

    Kim

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    Nicole says July 23, 2019

    I left my husband 3 weeks ago. He’s voiced he’d be happy if I left. We slept in separate rooms. He wasn’t affectionate. He wouldn’t text me throughout the day. I got tired of the mental abuse & feeling less than. I decided to take off w/our daughter. We heard from him a week later. I told him I wasn’t returning back(live in different states)
    He said he knew I wasnt. He was supposed to call our daughter the next day. He never did. It’s been 2 weeks & he still hasn’t called her. He doesn’t go on social media anymore. It’s hard but each day is getting easier.

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Elizabeth Aldam says January 11, 2018

I have suffered the silent treatment,I know it is hell.I also know a person who can do that to you and then twist it to his best advantage is not someone to be trusted.

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L. Watt says November 19, 2017

I was married for over a decade to a man who emotionally & even physically, financially as well as other ways. He once left 4 days right after he was paid. We had little food yet he left w/o giving us a cent. That time I found him passed out in our car, the one he’d never teach me to drive nor even let me even learn to drive. My granny bought one he lost through neglect. By he was in back passed out. A woman Unknown to me was in the drivers seat he never allowed me with keys. I was angry. I made her leave. No doubt she was his girlfriend. Car at Anderson Reservoir 4 days later. I just thought he might be there like de ja vous and another couple was there that I didn’t know, a coworker and his girl who knew Bob was married. I drove car home after I put kids in car and she left in huff when I said that it was our car and my husband and”Out!” I drove home. He didn’t help and never cooperated nor did he discuss her or apologize yet always acted like I’d cheated on him after 2 years when I finally divorced him and 6 months later(too fast, I know) remarried a bossier and then after 9 yes. Realized “he” was a prdiophile, so…

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    umin says February 1, 2018

    wow! I hope you are recovering from all of that. Stay in prayer to release from all that negativity.

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Tink says November 9, 2017

My mother would do this all the time whilst we were quite young. This article captures the profound damage it does to a young psyche. Thank you for such a informative article.

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    Kim Saeed says November 10, 2017

    Hi Tink, thank you for your kind praise. Wishing you all the best as you heal.

    Kim XoXo

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S says August 1, 2017

That’s exactly how my husband treats me most time… Don’t know what to do??

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    Anonymous says January 2, 2018

    Ditch him or lose yourself to his selfishness

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      umin says February 1, 2018

      absolutely correct on that!

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andrea says July 12, 2017

This is a profoundly important article! Thank you for writing it. It explains how deadly the silent treatment is. I wish I had read an article like this when I was dating the narcissist. It would have been super helpful, although I was so in to him that I would have rationalized his abusive behavior in some other way.

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John turner says March 31, 2017

4 weeks ago my gf of 3 years didn’t come home after drinking all night. I proceediddd to harass her verbally by calling her names and putting her down. I wanted jsut an apology and instead she shut down. Wouldn’t acknowledge me and left with the kids. She still rarely speaks to me and will not let me sit by her, sleep in the same bed, or even hug me. I feel like I’m losing my mind. I cry I get mad I’m so hurt and empty feeling. She dumped me 3 days into the shutoff or ignoring phase and as I lay here , my last night in our house cause she kicked me out. I still don’t sleep, I can’t eat, I have had to start seeing a counselor. She says she just shuts down but I’ve never seen anything like it. I have been sobbing in front of her for 3 straight weeks and not once has she asked if I was okay, grabbed my hand or hugged me. We have been together over 3 years. I’ve never felt so worthless and she says I’m a mental person. I dont know what to do and she will not budge, I’ve never seen this, last time she was cold but this is almost. In human. What can I do to get thru to her to show her how much I hurt from her into irjng me. My emotions have gone completely out of control.

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    Anonymous says July 15, 2017

    U better read up on narcissistic personalities….they have little remorse and lack empathy…They r sick and can not change…..u r just an object to,them when they don’t need u anymore they discard u.

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Van Vasko says December 31, 2016

I have tried NC during the silent treatment but in the end I am still expected to apologize to get back into the “good graces”. Informative and helpful as now I know i’m not the only one and I’m not “crazy” or just “too sensitive”.

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gigi says September 16, 2016

This is interesting – I have thankfully had very little of this in my relationships but the funny thing is that I got assertive and called out the two narcissists I’ve had in my life and then they went silent – but I was HAPPY they went silent because that means YAY no more narcissistic BS in my life! 🙂 I stopped being someone they could use for their supply and maybe they think they “discarded” ME but really I gave THEM the boot out of my life. I was so worried about seeing my current narcissist ex-friend in public after going no contact and WHAT A BLESSING I saw her at an event last night and she almost ran the other way from me / ignored me! THANK GOD! I smiled so big on the inside. Narcissist want you because you’re more powerful, happy, adjusted than they are. When you call them out on is, get assertive and state your boundaries, they run and hide. I am taking the silent treatments as a victory…!

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    Kim Saeed says September 17, 2016

    Rock on, Gigi! Yes, the silent treatments can absolutely become a source of peace and victory 🙂

    Kim

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David says September 6, 2016

Not sure what Cluster B disorder my ex-had but there were so many instances where her behaviour was “typical” of many of the disorders.

There were signs that I saw but did not process them at the time but I chose to ignore them as my father was dying. Whilst I was strong enough I would stand up to her and she would “meekly” back down. After dad died and I needed support, the devaluing and passive abuse became horrendous, couldn’t believe what was happening so after 3 months I walked (after I was informed that she did not love me).

That was almost 2 years ago and am now in a much better place. Funny how life has a way of showing you things at the right time, hadn’t seen my ex for months. Couple of months ago I saw her coming towards me in her car whilst I was waiting to turn into the car park, always wondered how I would feel first time I ran into her. I thought “ok” I won’t be a jerk and blank her and I looked into her car, she moved her face forward towards the windscreen of her car as she drove past me so that I could not miss her, and then she blanked me, not sure what I had expected. That said to me “Here look at me ignoring you, I cannot see you”. This far down the line still feels the need to devalue me and maybe even get a kick out of the fact that she thinks she has made me hurt. And she has been in another relationship for a long time too.

That little incident made realise that I have learnt a lot from my experience and am now stable and feeling positive. I felt no anger or irritation just a sense of relief that I am well rid of her and no longer need to pander to the shit behaviour or be the butt of her vitriol and be a sycophant into the bargain.

However I still found myself wondering why she made such a “fuss” of sticking it to me

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AJ says August 6, 2016

My bf has been doing this since we got together. Its taken 3 years, a nervous breakdown and me to finally see his repeated method at attempting to control me for me to decide no more. I can see how destructive his behaviour has been to my well being..all he cares about is himself and HIS life…so this time, after 3 days silence so far he’s getting the silent treatment right back. I now know that there is nothing wrong, he’s not dead or in trouble…he just thinks he can dip back in when it suits him and I’ll play along and fall for his paper promises and BS…..this time is different, I don’t need him or his cruel messed up way of trying to manipulate me. I’m walking ahead without him and happy and carefree..HUGE lesson learnt…some people are so deceitful and twisted in a stealth way…so glad I’ve seen his game..

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Jules says July 26, 2016

I’m so glad I found this page. I have been friends with someone since kindergarten who has BPD, and she is also high on narcissistic traits, if not NPD itself. I’ve gone through the ups and down throughout our friendship. Over the past few years I’ve been working on asserting healthy boundaries — an area of my life I was weak in. Those healthy boundaries are proving too much for our friendship to bear since even the simplest boundary, like asking to change the subject when it’s something unsettling for me (abuse of her twin great-nieces) turns in to unchecked anger and rage.

Recently, I had coffee with her to assert my boundaries, very clearly and simply, and focused on the behaviors and not her as a person. I finally asserted my boundaries with consequences, a first but necessary step for me. Aside from since seeing her at a relative’s birthday party for 1 year old twins, where she showed no ability to honor my boundaries, I’ve since been the recipient of the silent treatment.

I’m sharing here because this isn’t the first time. It happened when we were children, it happened when we were older. And every time I went back after some period of time to open the door to our relationship. I was a people pleaser, bad boundaries, and a co-dependent with not a lot of knowledge or self-awareness at how I had been contributing to the dysfunction. That said, things are much different now. With the help of counselors over the past years I’ve really grown a lot. Now, I find myself facing down No Contact for good with my long-time friend of 48 years. I’m 53.

I’m here asking for support. I know in my heart that I have to remove the toxic dysfunction from my life, and the constant drama that is her life and entire family. There are all these feelings that are coming up and I’m not sure what to do with them. I’m angry. I’m hurt. I’m sad.

I now realize we were both friends but we had two very different friendships. When I finally realized, with the help of counseling, that the “friendship” to her was a source of validation, control, manipulation, or “supply,” and I was punished, gaslighted, lied to, raged at, or silent-treatmented through the years, it made me sick. I’m working through the feelings but I now see more clearly what’s happened.

I’m 10 days in now of the silent treatment, and I’m going No Contact for good. I do understand the difference intent between the silent treatment vs. no contact. The former is retaliatory and punitive, while the latter is all about self-care. Still, it doesn’t take away all the feelings I’m feeling right now.

Does anyone have any advice on what I can do to move through this transition? I’d appreciate your help, support, and advice. Thanks Kim for including this brutal behavior on your site for discussion. I’m glad I found it.

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    cleo says May 16, 2017

    I hope you are doing well and being strong. Yes, there is a huge difference in NC and the silent treatment. I’m going through it now with my ex (he doesn’t know it yet). I’m on day 22 of NC. My mother did this to me when I was a child. I’ve never felt loved. Hope you have lots of love in your life.

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Lisa says January 31, 2016

I am doing this now, although he probably doesn’t realize it yet. My situation is that he is using the silent treatment with me, but has left something very important of his, in my possession. This is causing me some anxiety as I know he will have to contact me though to get it back. I am thinking of having the police here for when he returns for this object because I am so afraid of him. I am scared of repercussions of this though.

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    Kim Saeed says February 1, 2016

    Hi Lisa. How big is the object? Can you mail it, certified so you’ll have proof of having mailed it? Or, could you box it up and have a friend deliver it to his front porch?

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    Sandy says February 2, 2016

    I placed my ex’s belongings in the empty trunk of my car, pulled the lid down so it appeared closed, then emailed him to let him know his stuff was in my unlocked trunk and he could retrieve it any time. He certainly rushed right over to get his things, but I was absolutely stunned when he arrived with another woman by his side. Be ye ready…those people have an evil inclination toward exacting revenge. He didn’t lay a finger on me but it took months to heal from that last blow…
    Good luck to you. Mine used the silent treatment regularly. Very painful! Don’t put up with it. I began to realize even when he was around, I was completely alone. Good luck-

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Alice says January 19, 2016

I feel like I have just read about my life here… it has happened so often since we have and the ST always starts after something that was done that was hurtful to me. I am stunned….. I never realised I was dealing with this issue.. not from him, but it all makes sense now. The sudden GOODBYE / GOODNIGHT / CIAO after talking about something important to me… devalued me and I never knew why and what I was doing wrong. This last time is the longest Silent Treatment I have been dished out.. I received a RED CARD (soccer) and told I am being punished for one week and that I must have a happy week. I was promptly blocked from his Twitter account and he found some new girl to replace me the next day. She had nothing of value on her account to warrant a follow except that she was pretty. I feel so unwanted and in pain…………..

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Laura says January 11, 2016

Ok, then, she could have been misdiagnosed if she didn’t suffer from this disorder before the relationship.

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Laura says January 11, 2016

This is a message for Ingrid – on the 6th of October you wrote to me here and I have been trying to find you since. I wanted to talk to you. Please, let me know if you are around.

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Gabriela Heidegger Capote says January 10, 2016

My story is complicated because i have a borderline personality disorder and he has narsisistic, i struggle with this for a while, 4 years, i left him a few times and he always return, he even got married and start a new life in another country and came back, always, i really want things work, we both went to rehab, therapy, but last december 31 have a horrible argue at our new years vacation at the beach and we left each other… im cool about this, last time when he do this silent treatment i just feel that i couldnt breath, its been 10 days, i know he will contact me eventually but this time ill not accept his lies and excuses… im tired to try everything to make this happen, im sure about his feelings, i know he is sick emotionaly, he love me when he is awake, when he finds his conciousnes, but his disease is stronger, he is an addict in all aspects and he cant see his reality, he have no will to make things change, he is just existing and spreading his hate and fear, i cant make anything at all to change his destiny, the best thing i can do is to stay away… i feel kinda bad for not feel anything at all, to feel a relief about this breakup… i finally understand that this disease has no cure… god bless him, cus i know he is lost now…

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    Kim Saeed says January 11, 2016

    Thank you for sharing, Gabriela, and I can totally relate to what you’re feeling. I’d be curious to know, were you “borderline” before you met him?

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      Laura says January 11, 2016

      I would think that if a person suffers from Bipolar Personality Disorder, this is not something you get after being with someone. It is in you and not acquired after a relationship. Besides, it is Borderline what she said and not Bipolar. Either way, this is not caused by being with a person.

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        Kim Saeed says January 11, 2016

        Actually, it can happen in abusive relationships that a person is diagnosed as having borderline or BPD when, in fact, they are suffering from Narcissistic Abuse Syndrome. It happens very commonly and is one sad reason why mothers sometimes lose custody of their children in court.

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          prettygirl says December 28, 2017

          I feel this I feel myself splitting

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        Shem says February 11, 2020

        I am bipolar and have always been, but I feel he uses my illness against me, and says things about me that are not true about me, my doctor or my medication. He has cheated most of the 15 years I have been with him. He can be sweet and I get presents when he has been bad. Sick right. I have spoke to the women and he still Denys, he lies all the time. We own a house together and he wants it, in a little scary place right now, if you know what I mean. He is no home much he travels for work, but I think his extracurricular activities are getting in the way of his job, I don’t know this man anymore.

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Chris says January 4, 2016

Narcissists……ah, it’s the female covert narcissists that men have to watch for, since they are masters at toying with your emotions by pushing all the right buttons. My covert N was adept at exuding an air of charm an equanimity. Someone as successful and measured as she appears to be can’t possibly have ulterior motives, right? These seemingly poise and “classy” women lead a double life that will leave a top notch spy for the Mossad teeming with envy; how can someone so “nice” and classy have secret lovers for the sole purpose of pleasure and self aggrandizement, and carry on with her life as if she’s an upstanding member of the community? These people have no empathy, and whenever they say that they have a busy schedule ahead, or have other important things to take care of……beware! They just suck energy from you for a while, but the moment you become boring or a burden they move on for a while, but then come back around again, and then disappear again….

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    Wally says July 9, 2017

    Hey Chris,
    I’m in the same boat with my wife. When I try to start a conversation or ask a questions, she is great and just looking at me with a “oh really” look and then saying nothing at all. This usually happens when the question I ask is routine, not major…like, “what did you think of the shrimp?”. She also has a tendency to just turn away from me when another individual asks her a question, or a phone/text rings. The latter is especially frustrating. I’m always the last priority, and now that I’ve pointed-out that I know what is going on, she plays along with giving me attention, such as muting the TV and then just staring at me as I ask a question…and then she says a quick answer and un-mutes. Her communication is clear though…”ok, I’m listening to your stupid question…taking time out of my self-interest to keep you from getting agitated…”.

    I have a 6-year-old, and I don’t think I can leave him with her even with joint custody without feeling like I left him to a hungry lion. Feeling trapped.

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Laura says December 12, 2015

Where are all the posts? They are not showing

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Reese says November 23, 2015

Hello everyone ,

I am currently in phase 2 transitioning into phase 3 of a devastatingly destructive relationship with a Narc . The relationship lasted nearly 2.5 years until when just recently I’ve initiated the ” no contact ” rule which has its ups and downs in terms of how easy or difficult it can be on any given day . Last week was easier than this week , but it’s still a struggle at times. We had contact exactly 6 days ago when he randomly sent me a picture of himself sitting on a couch in the house of a woman out in LA that he is currently involved with , having sex with , ect . Only thise who have been through this can understand how painful even the thought out our narc screwing someone else is. We become obsessed with their sex and personal life . We cannot wrap our minds around the rejection . Anyway , he had a cat on his lap in the picture he sent and claimed he was doing some ” spiritual healing ” to become more like me . I knew I shouldn’t have responded but I said ” cute cat” I was diligent to not compliment him at all in the picture . It made the contact a bit easier , but it was and always is inhealthy to have any contact whatsoever with these people . I wished him the best on his journey . I told him that eventually he will need to ” face his shit ” . It was at that very moment that he initiated the silent treatment and did not respond nor reach out to me again . Today makes the 6th day which is a record . I have come to love causing narcissistic injury to him , and I’ve become like a master at it . As much my heart craves to speak with him , I will not give into it , because all too often we give in to initiating contact with these monsters and are left even emptier and devastated as we were before . It’s so evil . So corrupt and insidious . So dark . I totally agree with all of you who said that no contact is the only way to get your power back . It is the only weapon that hurts them .you must be indifferent although it is agonizingly difficult at times . My narc is 25 years old , stunningly beautiful man . Muscular , beautiful eyes , long lashes , golden skin , and tatoos . He is physical perfection , he is sexual perfection . He is highly addictive and irresistible . I saw the red flags over and over again and as an intuitive empath myself , I knew better , but I fooled myself into thinking that because I was so spiritual , so compassionate and loving that I could help him face his demons and help him heal . My intentions were met with disastrous consequences in the end . After literally spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on him with gifts , vacations , ect . I finally realized that not even in all I’ve given aside from the money , all my love , all my compassion it’ll never be enough for him . The beginning of the relationship , the phase of idealization was sheer bliss . He kissed me so passionately , held my hand , showered me with so much love and affection . I felt so lucky . So blessed . That I had finally found the man of my dreams . Who was not just gorgeous , but in love with me . Several months later , things started to shift . I went onto his Facebook page and noticed that he was literally flirting back and forth with a woman , a fitness model who is beautiful and popular in the industry . When I questioned him about it , he immediately went into rage mode , blocked me from social media and told me that I am invading his privacy and to stay away from his girl . He claimed that I was his guy and that she was his girl . I was Ina state of shock upon hearing this because I thought we were actually together . Committed . That’s what he led me to believe . The following day he tagged himself as being in a relationship with her . Huh ? Are you serious ? He then became cold as ice towards me , belittling me , calling me deregatory , even racist names , which he had never done before , threatening that if I went anywhere near her and messed up the ” good thing he has ” that he’d kill me . A narcissist WILL literally take you out if you ruin a new potential powerful source of narcissistic supply . I was afraid of him , but moreso afraid that I was enmeshed in this dangerous toxic relationship with a narc . After several months , the mask began to fall in his dealings with miss perfect and he did to her what he did to me . Only worse because she publicly confessed Her love for this man and was even introduced to his family , ect under the false pretense that he would marry her , and start a future with her . When their relationship ended he came back to me , I weakly gave into his sex appeal and charm , but only with catastrophic consequences . I lost everything . And that’s where I am now . There has been no contact for about a week now and I am determined to keep it that way . Anyone who is struggling with the devaluation and discard stage . Stay strong . Read experiences . Come here . Pray . Journal . Literally do anything but reach out to your Narc . It’s like a dog going back to its vomit . I love you all . Peace and love .

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    Anonymous says December 23, 2015

    I love this. My ex was the exact same. Beautiful and charming and everyone fell at his feet. And he ate that attention right up. He did the exact same to me. Led me to believe we were together…I was his girl, etc. and one day I woke up and found he had two entirely different relationships with other women. After confessing his undying love for me the day before, I threatened to expose him when I found out and I became the awful bitch who was trying to ruin his life. He told me what he had with her was perfect and be also became cold as ice. Hasn’t contacted me since bc I see they’re still together. She picks and chooses the pictures she makes public on her private facebook page and they’re always pictures of the two of them. I know she thinks she’s waving it in my face but she’s only making a fool of herself. I told her and showed her proof and she said I’m crazy and he never cheated bc they are so happy. It’s crazy how mean he got to me as soon as I found out and confronted him. He was cold as ice and said Im wrong for trying to ruin his life and what he has with her is so great. I often wonder if he actually is happy and stopped his nonsense bc he actually cares for her. Other days I smack myself back into reality

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      Anonymous says December 23, 2015

      P.s. he gave me the silent treatment on and off for 7 months. Everytime I threatened to leave he gave reasons why I should stay. Meanwhile hE had 2 separate other relationships. Finally one day I did some investigated and that’s how I found out. I was disgusted. My father had passed away and he was wirh another woman every weekend I was caring for my father and making excuses when I was available. Even went to see this girl on my bday as I later found out. Nice. So after studying up after our last confrontation in august when I exposed him to his current gf, I refuse to give him the time of day. I know he thrives on attention from females. He cheated with 2…and that’s all I know of. I’m sure there were way more than I knew of. I wont even post negative things about him on social media bc he gets off on that. There were several times i posted negative statuses about somethibg completwly unrelated to him and he texted me saying i cant get over him and its obvious. #getoveryourselfbuddy. After our last confrontation, I acted like he doesn’t exist. I’m sure it’s killing him inside. Bc he tried so hard to keep me around those last seven months just for the attention I gave him. He can’t stand not being the center of attention. He wants to know that people want and miss him. He would always throw in my face when his exes supposedly came crawling back. Even tho they seem to be happy in new relationships. He was a pathological liar as well. He stalked my social media for months…I’m sure he did the same to his exes. Wondering why we don’t contact him. I act as happy as can be…even on my worst days

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      Reese says December 23, 2015

      He is no longer your nightmare . Let her suffer with him . This man is incapable of love and the longer she lives in then darkness with this emotional vampire the more damage she’ll cause to herself when he leaves her . She he is leaving her soon . Mark my words. Take care love .

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      Reese says December 23, 2015

      He is no longer your nightmare . Let her suffer with him . This man is incapable of love and the longer she lives in then darkness with this emotional vampire the more damage she’ll cause to herself when he leaves her . And he is leaving her soon . Mark my words. Take care love .

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Cassandra says November 11, 2015

I have gone thru 10 years of a narc, from the whole love bombing to the “you arent good enough” routine of him being with other women. Just to have him run right back to me because I became so obsessed and drove the women away. Its about me doing more and being more for him, thats all it is. I prove myself time and time again, just to never be good enough for him. My health gradually got worse, now I just zone out in middle of conversations with people, I resorted to going straight home and climbing in bed after work. I have 5 daughters, who I dont have time for anymore, because I am so depressed. I see a counselor every week, and I know I accept it because of my childhood and my fathers abuse. The narc is in jail now (of course) , he is still trying to withdraw his love from me as a form of abuse. Him being in jail, is for a reason. Its to help me heal. My mom died 3 years ago, and she hated him… I think she does things like that for me as my angel. She was that kind of soul. I can relate to many comments on this forum, and the journey is not easy at all. It will make you hate all people and questions everyone’s motive. You never know these people exist until you fall in love with one. Constant love for yourself with patience, and knowing you are more than your emotions, they do not live your life for you.

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    Kim Saeed says November 13, 2015

    I love that you said, “you are more than your emotions”. I am sorry for your struggles and I can relate in some ways. I have just started a homeopathic regimen in hopes of curing my chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia…all from long-term abuse, as well as letting my emotions get the best of me.

    I hope you can find a path to peace and happiness, Cassandra. It saddens me that you distrust people in general, because there are so many good ones out there – although I can certainly understand why you feel that way.

    “Constant love for yourself” — beautiful <3

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Bradley says November 7, 2015

Hi and thank you to each of you for how your posts have helped me.
There is so much I could say, comment on….try to offer. Jump in on some of the threads. But I will try to be succinct and just ” give back” given where I am and what I am going through. I hope it helps someone going through the same thing.

I was in a relationship with a N for over 4 years. I work with this individual. I am on my 2nd attempt at NC….the first one 3 weeks ago worked for 9 days….and then (right out of the N Playbook) the pity card sucked me back in. N’s know PRECISELY where we are weakest.

It worked….for 8 days my N was ” in crisis” and I was there every day via text, phone, and in person. Like a sucker.

On Day 8…yet another ” special friend” was thrown in my face. I decided right then and there….back to NC and this time for real. I will not drag you all through my experiences and what I ALLOWED myself to be subjected to, but suffice to say I believe my N was ” constructing the discard and devaluation” to be in control of ” the break up”.

What I would like to share with you today…for those of you considering NC, or in the early days of NC, as I am on Day 13 now….and am NOT turning back:

– NC is hard…make no mistake….admit that you are addicted to what you thought was real…
– NC…even a few days in…provides you mental space to look at it for what it really is….was…..and most importantly….WHAT IT WASN’T.
– NC has its ups and downs….I had a great Day 12 yesterday….yet woke up today and came right to this blog…..as I woke up wondering, missing, aching…..” where is she….does she miss me….did I do something wrong……am I overreacting”
-NC is something that you do for YOU…your health….your sanity…and your self respect.
– Close ALL the doors to allow NC to work. I told myself I would go NC….but really chose ” No Response”….as I did not block her from text, email, calls. Only last weekend (7 days in) when I proactively blocked her…did I realize I was committed. THEN…..then, my friends….I realized I was really doing this. It allowed me to TAKE BACK CONTROL. I was no longer secretly hoping to see something from her, a sign, a reach out, to validate me….to know I was missed and that I meant something.
– Do NOT fool yourself…as I did. Block your N. Block every door. Otherwise you are still hoping, still waiting, still yearning…..and you have not moved on.
-“Make the turn”. What does that mean ? It means at some point you will realize you are doing this for you……its not a game to win…see who ” caves” first. It’s about healing you…..re-establishing your self esteem, your pride, becoming you again. Make the turn….stop reading up on your N…what are they doing…..how are they feeling…will they ever come around….make it about healing you.

I’ll wrap by saying this:
– thank you for all of your posts…they helped, and continue to help me.
– take NC seriously….really do it….feel the mental freedom and leverage it to gain perspective.
– do NOT give in….its your life, your self-respect you are fighting for and you deserve it (if you are tempted to break NC….don’t. Call a friend, do something for you…..or tell yourself ” I can always do that tomorrow..” and then don’t.)
– make it about you. the sooner we all start thinking about, and working on “us”….the faster the healing.
– 13 days ago I hit rock bottom. Emotionally, energetically, socially, and in the area of self-respect.
– today I am “coming back”….I have the power over me. NO ONE ELSE. I decide how I am going to feel today….how amazing I am going to be, how special I am.
– is my N hanging out with her new NS ? Yes.
– is she making efforts to shove this in my face…and show me how happy she is…how perfect he is…..? Yes.
– does that hurt ? Yes.

But its about me now…..and I am in control….I have the power.
And I am NOT turning back, nor giving up that power.
I…and in fact WE…all deserve better.

I am sorry if I wasn’t succinct…..but I felt I had to share.
Thank you all so much.
Brad

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juliegrasso8472 says October 13, 2015

I am so glad I found this site. I am in the process of breaking up with my boyfriend of 13 years (he’s currently packing). For as long as we’ve been together, there have been repeated episodes of the silent treatment. I’d say 3-4 a year. For most of these, I had no idea why he was upset and even the few times I knew why he was upset, it was over something ridiculous. An example would be, one time he was driving and we were approaching a stop sign and it didn’t seem like he was slowing down so I just said “stop sign”. I was not even yelling, I just said it. Well he didn’t speak to me for a couple of days because he was offended that I didn’t think he knew how to drive or saw the stop sign. When his behavior began I used to do anything I could to make things right and apologize for things that were ridiculous and non-existent. He also used to periodically send me emails that he’d written in the middle of the night, so I’d get them when I got to work the next morning. These emails would be about how he felt that I didn’t love him and how he felt all alone and was lost and blah blah blah. So THEN, I’d have to confirm that I loved him and all that crap. It was exhausting!! However, I just thought he was overly sensitive and weird. Finally after a few years when he’d start the silent treatment, I’d just go about my business and act like nothing was wrong. I knew there was no sense in trying to talk to him. It would usually end all of a sudden on it’s own and we’d never discuss it. I should also add that I could not get mad at him (even when he was in the wrong), because I’d get the silent treatment and the whole thing would be turned around to be my fault. I got to the point where I was walking on eggshells in my own house, because I just didn’t want to upset this overly sensitive man I thought I was dating. I finally realized I was in the no-win scenario and told him we were done and I actually feel really great about it! I just wish I had realized what I was dealing with a long time ago.

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    nicole says March 31, 2022

    Good For You! I decided to get my ex out just didnt know how – went to therapy and eventually got him out – he told me he was all alone blah blah was going to kill himself blah blah.. it was so very hard not to answer those messages. After 8 years I got him out. No contact since except for a few times he asked me to take his daughter. I would just reply, on vacation get back to you later. I feel so so bad that my children had to see and go thru this abuse also the Silent Treatment was against all of us when mommy did something wrong. so glad to be out of that situation. then my cuz moved in, I could so see my ex in his personality traits – he had to go for me & my childrens’ sanity.

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Jordan says October 1, 2015

Much love Kim!! Thanks so much for listening and letting me vent.

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    Kim Saeed says October 1, 2015

    My pleasure, Jordan 🙂

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Jordan says September 30, 2015

Looking at the big picture after having removed myself from this mess, it’s a lot easier to see now what my covert narcissist ex girlfriend was trying to accomplish all along. It was an insidious process, but she was slowly trying to lower my boundaries to see how much I would tolerate over time. This would consist of passive aggressive episodes, not having time for me, blowing hot and cold, etc., and then always coming back around with a lot of love and affection. Me taking her back after she would “no-contact” me for a week or two was all the verification she needed that I was a perfect candidate for manipulation. It was all about controlling me and putting me down in a subtle way.

A big red flag that I noticed early on was her recurring habit of complaining about people – friends, family members, co-workers, etc. But the odd thing was that she would still hang out with these so called friends on a superficial level. She did the same thing with her friends that she did to me, which is to ignore those who don’t play the way she wants play. After a time-out she would rekindle the friendship. The reason she is so good at it is because of her charm and level-headed demeanor. She projects this slightly uppity vibe, so people assume that she’s uber important and they should feel privileged if they get to spend time with her. That’s her whole schtick

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    Kim Saeed says October 1, 2015

    Jordan – what you’ve written is spot on. I especially like your last paragraph because these are the trademark behaviors of female narcissists (who, by the way, often beat male narcs out of the park with their cruelty and deception). I am very glad to know you detached and moved on. Kudos!

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Tony says September 30, 2015

I know this is an old post, but i am really hoping that somebody will read this and have some sort of an answer for me. I am not postiive that my girlfriend that is the topic of my discussion is suffering from one of the problems stated in this post, but if she is a lot our fights weve had seem to make a lot more sense after reading this. I never wouldve spent time searching the subject if what has happened beeteween us recently had never occured. but is has, and i would like to mention i have never posted online about anything, but this is something that i am not comfortable talking to with anybody i know so i guess this is something of a last ditch effort. After looking into the subject i believe my girlfriend might have been suffering from some of the problems explained in this article, but i was not aware of this while we were dating. Which we still are i guess………. i will explain more later. But if i had known such a (disease, problem) existed while we were dating i guess i couldve looked into it more, and im not a doctor so im not entirely sure this is what she has but i would like to think so because i would help me make sense of some things.
For a little background information we have been dating for over a year. I initially had no intentions of us dating, but obviously she did and came onto me in that way. At the point where i started seeing her i was still ‘seeing’ a few other girls, but when i realized that she was different to me than the other girls i was seeing i have excluseviley been with her and never once cheated. at this point in my life the main reason to ‘see’ girls was for the sexual benefit, mostly because about three years before i started dating this girl i had been with the first girl i ever fell in love with, and it didnt end well so i was not ready to start a relationshiop. i was still very interested in seeing people but in no way was i looking for a relationship. then i started seeing this girl. at first for a few weeks maybe a month it was just like all the others, but for a reason unknown to me i finally was able to connect with her on a higher level and ended up finally letting myself in a relationship with her. It had a lot to do with letting myself trust her. which again i am not entirely sure why i let myself trust her when a lot of girls that i had seen before her i would generally see as a lot more ‘trustworhty’ in a usualy sense.
:Like i said, i am not sure what was different about her that let me finally have emotional feelings again for a girl, but for some reason i could with her. and we quickly started living together. we stayed living together for a little more than a year, and we had a great relationship. barely ever fought, obviously we did here and there but much less than what i would view as how often a ‘normal’ couple would fight. I didnt realize at the time but looking back on it she displays a lot of the traits described in this article. I cant say with any certainty but i would wager that literally EVERY time we fought, i was the one that apoligized. Wether i believed it was my fault or probably more often that i realized there was no other way to end the ‘issue’ between us than to me to accept the blame. Also if this helps with any answer to my question, as much as i continually showed and told her that i loved her exclusively and she had told me the same thing, for some time she could not accept this fact and would only occasionaly bring it up to me but when she did she would be very emotional and seem to not believe me. Which at the time i saw as her just having a low self esteem, but now i wonder if there was some bigger issue.
Anyways, we had a great relationship for a little over a year. One day, like we have had a handful of times, we got into an argument. It was a small one to me, and i assure you it was a small argument to her too. But after that day she has not talked to me since. it has been almost two weeks. As abruptly and suddenly as she came, she has now left. Im assuming i will hear from her at some point, but i have assumed that for the longest two weeks of my life and counting. I cannot figure out how to deal with this. i literally have brought my life to an abrupt halt without meaning to to try and figure out the reason she couldve possibly had to do this. I have never felt so abandoned and hurt in my life. The only way i have found so far to deal with it is to drink untill i pass out, which obviously i know is a terrible coping mechanism but at this point i truly feel like i have no other choice. I am 24 years old but i have had plenty of experience with rejection to deal with this appropriately, but it is mostly the suddenness and unexpectedness of all of this that i cannot find an appopriate way to deal with it. I have ran through my mind so many possible reasons why she may have just left like that, i probably thought of close to a dozen but none of them really make sense. And I truly think i am a better judge of charachter than to not realize she may have fallen for somebody else or to not have realized i have just for some reason been being played.
I am truly lost. I have never had somebody that i loved romantically just dissapear (after over a year) without explanation.I have no idea how to deal with it either. Like i said it has brought my productionion in my life to an abrupt halt, i cant do any of my schoolwork, i cant sleep, i am drinking like a damn alcoholic. I have no idea what to do. I have never been depressed in my life and i have been wondering if depression medication is the way to go. I feel like i have no reason to live. Every attempt to communicate has been ignored. and before somebody gives me a good reason why she may have dissapeared, i texted her mother and asked if she was okay just to know that nothing had happened to her and she promptly let me know that she was fine.
I NEED somebody to give me something to hold onto. I cant hold onto the girl that i finally decided to let myself love after years and years of superficial encounters and rejecting every girl that wanted anything more. I had finally found the one and now she suddenly dissapeared. Every call ive called she has not answered. Just about every text ive sent she has ignored. WHAT DO I DO? I am looking for any help i can get. Nothing has ever hurt like this. She seems to suddenly have no empathy and i am almost positive i did nothing to bring this on. I have finally been a good boyfriend for the fist time in my life, never cheated and i am hoping she knows this and realizes that i have always been looking out for her even more than myself. I truly have tried to put her wellbeing before mine for as long as ive known her. Im far from perfect so i know theres time where i havnt but the point i trying to make is that i believe i have done everything i can to make her realize that i love her as much as i love myself. And i know i have spoken more about my own feelings than hers so if anybody believes coming on too strong may an issue i can assure you that in the state i was in at the beginning of our relationship i would not have let that be an issue, even to this point in time.
There are dozens of reasons that have came to mind why she may have suddenly started acting like this. and none of them make sense to me. all of them have reasons why they probably arnt what really happened, and i have been up for countless hours thinking about this so i cant imagine there is somthing that i havent considered. which is why i have turned for the first time to admitting my deepest issue to somebody else. If anybody could offer any help at all i would so greatly appreciate it. I am in the hardest position that i have ever in my life been in, and can not bring myself to feel anything but hurt, i feel like ive been played. I may well have been. The only thing i do not understand is that throughout all of this she has left her facebook profile picture as one of me and her, and her realationship status as in a relationship with me. If she has found somebody else im sure she would have changed that, correct? I am lost. And close to giving up. ANY help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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    Kim Saeed says October 1, 2015

    Tony, thank you for reaching out and sharing your story. I am sorry for the pain you are experiencing – it’s the worst feeling in the world, I know.

    I’ll offer my observations based on what you’ve shared with me here, which became somewhat clear when you shared that she has left her FB pic and status as being in a relationship with you.

    I can’t diagnose someone online obviously, but based on what you’ve shared, she may POSSIBLY possess histrionic traits based on the way she pursued you, her constant need for approval, and also due to her lack of accountability when you two argued in the past. These are all signs of the typical garden-variety narcissist, too, but female narcissists often come on strong and heavy, then need constant attention and reassurance – pretty much engulfing their partners.

    The fact that she has left your pics up on FB, along with the status that she is in a relationship with you leads me to believe that she is giving you the Silent Treatment. She is likely punishing you for “offending” her during your last argument, even though I would bet you were in the right. She will most likely leave you in this state for a while, and then come back when she knows you are desperate for her and willing to overlook all of her relationship crimes. That’s how they condition us – by ignoring and ostracizing us, which is one of the worst forms of abuse.

    There isn’t a lot you can do in these first days regarding processing your feelings because they are activated by your amygdala. She is triggering your fear of abandonment, and I can assure you it’s intentional. I do have a Pinterest board with some helpful exercises: https://www.pinterest.com/kimsaeed/c-ptsd-healing-stabilization-skills-and-getting-un/

    Aside from that, you probably should seek therapy and if you start feeling suicidal, PLEASE call the suicide prevention hotline: 1 (800) 273-8255

    In closing, I would like to suggest your using this opportunity to block her and to try to move on. I know it’s easier said than done, but the relationship won’t improve and will only end up making you feel worse in the end.

    Wishing you the best, Tony.

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    Bradley says November 21, 2015

    Tony. I have read and re-read your story. I feel compelled to comment. I agree with Kim….as tough as it sounds my friend…..close that door and move on. You have to. For your happiness, your health, and your future. I lived through exactly what you are describing. Some differences, but a N is a N is a N. I have gone 26 days now after completely blocking my N from my life. Its hard to move on….but every day I get different and more powerful insight into what it really was and wasn’t. I also now see that its truly about healing me…..and not what she does, who she is, how she treats me. Do I miss her ? YES. Did I think it was real and perfect love ? YES. Do I now see it for what it was ? YES. You deserve so much….to be happy….to be in a trusting relationship, a two way street…..equal giving and loving. You deserve to be happy, at peace, confident in your relationship and partner.
    Love yourself…..let yourself heal…..close the door on this relationship.(even if you just say ” for now” to feel better).
    Give yourself time and space to heal….don’t rush into anything. It’s NOT easy…..but it IS what you need to do.
    Be strong….and happy.
    Brad

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      Kim Saeed says November 21, 2015

      Beautiful…

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Nancy says September 29, 2015

Oh wow! And I’m a fairly strong, educated and independent and the guy got me. I have never seen nor experienced such brutal emotional abuse to anyone or me in my life. The guy is a very evil genius. How do they know how to do all of this stuff…??? I have left my husband, but he thinks and tells everyone he left me…I alone own the house, so property squabbles don’t exist. He stays 90 miles away from me so I really dont care what he is up to. It’s been three days of no contact. I am allowing him full access to get his belongings, but absolutely no access to me, in anyway. He’s blocked on my phone and socialmedia, etc. I don’t care and I don’t look. I don’t know if he wants to come back or if after only three days he’s found another victim. I don’t care. No one will EVER do that to me again! If you believe you’re with a narcissist, RUN!! NO CONTACT!

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    Laura says September 30, 2015

    Nancy – is your post directed to me? Sorry, I am just confused.

    You said “I have never seen nor experienced such brutal emotional abuse to anyone or me in my life. The guy is a very evil genius”.

    Are you referring to my story? or someone else’s?

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danigeneane says September 21, 2015

My boyfriend and I have been together for 2 years. At first we had nothing and we were incredibly happy… And than we came to Colorado where he is from and I got a job and got us an apartment… I’ve been working this past year non stop and paying all the bills while he would sit around playing video games and allowing his family to come live off of me. A few weeks ago we got in a fight about this and he left. He is now staying at his step sisters who I despise and won’t talk to me at all… Nothing. A couple weeks ago we talked once and he said he still loved me, but now he just ignores me. His dad is still staying with me and him and his dad were best friends and now he won’t even talk to his dad. He gets drunk non stop. His family is disappointed in him. He took the dog… Why does he hate me so much? NPD runs in his family. His grandmother has it.

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Cecilia says September 16, 2015

Laura–

You are asking how he will continue with his lifestyle after he’s in the same country as his GF (potentially future wife)?

I am just exiting a relationship with a narc who is married, 2 kids. He lives in my state, travels extensively for work. He always manages to have relationships “supply” outside his home relationship. He covers his tracks neatly, selects his outside partners carefully, and is extra careful never to expose his wife to any whiff of his extracurricular activities. As for how he manages it? Well, it is masterful. He has a specific app he uses to communicate, he limits textual communication, no screenshots are allowed because the app will alert him. He meets women all the time in his industry, so he is constantly culling, selecting and grooming his next sleeping partners. He watched me and admired me for 2 years prior to our involvement. He had guys who were his confidantes reporting back to him on me and my interests so he could easily talk with me when we did see each other. Once we finally got together ( which shamefully was me initiating — I am also married), he began with his TRUE self– which is very hollow. He proclaims that he “has it really good” at home, has another ex ( maybe still involved?) gf that is a married lesbian who quite possibly gave birth to his child earlier this year. He is cultivating new relationships in the state he works in. Has started the grooming with several women there– all visible on his social networks. Unless you’ve been there, one wouldn’t know that he is grooming these ladies, but I recognize it.

Fact is, these men never stop. This guy just had a baby outside his marriage, and he was still messing around. ( shamefully – without protection with me!)

What kind of narcissist is that?! He has a huge ego, feels like he us rich and powerful enough that nothing can touch him. I will never say anything to his wife or in our mutual community because I don’t want to be the one to hurt her. He already does that himself. And… The debt collector will come once his baby boy comes to right age and seeks him out. His wife will then have wasted all her life with him ( she’s 41 now– imagine when the kid us 18 and hungry to find his biological dad– that’s a secret that will come out!
This narc was so certain and yet hollow that he decided a huge prize and gift to his ego was to “turn” a lesbian. Which is what he was doing with his the lesbian GF when she got pregnant. Turns out she was Bi, was very in love with him, but he pushed her away despite the fact she was having his baby.

See what kinds of messes these people create? If you aren’t married to one, or even if you are, you need to RUN now!! It’s not worth it.

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W Mark Tomlinson says September 16, 2015

i hope I’m not breaking any rules, but would you like correspond via email?
[email protected]

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W Mark Tomlinson says September 16, 2015

Honestly, I think he is just toying with you and your emotions, trying to hurt you just so he feels superior. I said he doesn’t love, because the disordered dont have the requisite emotions and trust. they are incapable of a loving relationship.

I think you agree that every time you saw him, he treated you worse. He was becoming violent the 3rd time. Do you agree seeing him a 4th time could be very dangerous?

You seem like such a kind, considerate, loving person. I am sure you are beautiful as well. With soooo many many fish in the sea, who would treat you like a lady, like you deserve to be treated, why waste another second thinking about the PPOS (pathetic piece of shit) ?

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    Laura says September 16, 2015

    Mark – Thanks for your compliments.

    Actually, I was reading through your first post to me and you said you have the gut feeling that if I met him a 4th time he would take his revenge and rage on my physically. I wasn’t going to meet him a 4th time for several reasons: 1) I already paid for air tickets twice out of the 3 times we met to see him, 2) I wasn’t going to accept his offer of 36 hours (which by the way he wanted to reduce to 24) anymore but mostly, because what I saw the last time really scared me. Telling me he could beat me and talking about raping made me feel so scared. Ever since I have been wondering if that was just a threat or whether he could have actually done it.

    Why do you say a 4th time he could take “his revenge and rage” on me physically? What makes you think/feel that? I can’t even imagine him doing that….it is difficult for me to imagine that but I wouldn’t put myself at risk and I have seen how his treatment towards me has been worse every time I met him so a 4th time would be really dangerous. Somehow, and I don’t know why even the 2nd time I was with him I had this insecurity within me, something that told me I wasn’t comfortable being with him alone in his house. When I had arrived that time (first time I visited him in his country) he told me I had to wash my hair because he doesn’t like the bacteria in airplanes (my flight was only 1 and 1/2 hours’ long). I thought he was joking and I told him I didn’t feel like washing it. Then he looked at me really seriously with cold look and said “I am talking seriously”. I was scared to the point that I thought it was better to wash it just in case.

    Thing is I don’t know if the does that to just exert control and power over me or he would actually be capable of harming me physically.

    When you say he doesn’t love, do you mean he doesn’t love ME or he doesn’t love anyone? what is he doing with his gf then? they are nearly 1 year in the distance though but they have met 3 times and he dedicates his time/holidays to her and despite how negatively he talks about things with her he is still with her.

    Do you honestly see this guy as having a disorder? or could he be the typical jerk who of course only wanted sex with me and probably he later saw I had feelings and as he didn’t want anything serious with me he felt he had to finish things with me and he did it in a nasty way? I mean, there are the typical assholes who will treat their gfs/partners badly and finish with them just like that. That is what I wonder – does he sound disordered or is he just a jerk?

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Laura says September 16, 2015

Mark – Also, just as an example, here is a conversation I had with him in July:

Me: I understand you are tired after a week away and driving. I only asked and I fully understand u may not feel like talking. Just, I dont need rudeness, especially now.
Me: When you are free…
Me: Did you arrive home safely?
Me: Hope you did anyway, good night.
Him: I didnt. Still driving.
Me: How can that be?
Me: If u were driving at 4 pm yesterday?
Him: Was fucking a girl in Austria.

I put up with this kind of conversations…….

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Laura says September 16, 2015

W Mark – thank you very much for your feedback.

Well, I guess I repeat the 36 hours thing because it hurts me badly to see that that is all he offered me. You mention that there was no idealization stage because he didn’t see something he wanted badly enough, but then why did he keep going for 6 months? He first visited me in April. I guess, he could have ended it there and then. After he met me that time he wanted to see me again so the very next day we arranged I would go to him, which I did in 6 weeks’ time. Just weeks before I flew to him is when he started with nasty behaviour, i.e. hanging up on me while we talked on Skype, giving me time limits to talk, telling me that he gave me 4 minutes to talk and at minute 3.30 hanging up on me and saying that it seemed I was really bad at managing the little time he gave me and on and on and on……….

This thing lasted till 3 weeks ago when he blocked me. Well, he has blocked me in the past too but before it was only for a week. Now, it is already 3 weeks. I have no clue if this time will be for good and that is creating so much anxiety.

You say this guy could kill me if he got annoyed. And that is something I have been really thinking about. Right, we met 3 times. First time was great although I could always see him as someone cold. Second time I saw more things I didn’t like such as walking away from me at the airport because he was annoyed that I wanted him to stay with me till I crossed the gate. He stayed with me for 10 minutes, looked at my face in such a cold way and told me it was over and he walked away without looking back. Then we got back talking. This 3rd time (4 weeks ago) I couldn’t believe he told me he would have to beat me in order for me to understand just because when I touched him with a packet of tissues I couldn’t understand what was happening as he was angry saying that he is sensitive to noise. I always wondered if his threaten to beat me was just a threat to test me or whether he could have become violent in reality. There was also another thing and on Saturday night I felt he grabbed me in a rough way. I told him to stop and told him he was hurting me and he had sex with me. The next morning he suddenly, out of the blue, said that my brother in law (who had called him months before to tell him that his behaviour with me was unacceptable) accused him of raping women. My brother in law had never told him that and this guy was bringing up this topic in a strange way only after the night before I wasn’t especially comfortable with him.

Many times when I asked him where he was because he wasn’t respoding to my messages, he would blatantly write whatsapp messages saying that he was having sex with a woman, or that he had driven 2 hours to have sex with someone or even when I was visiting him he told me in my face that he had sex with a woman days before me and the weekend before……….why the hell did he tell me these things for?

At the start of my chats with him he told me he is hostile, impatient, insatiable, disrespectful, a sex addict, an online game addict…..then he told me how 10 years ago he had proposed marriage to a girl he didn’t even know apparently and that her family refused. He said back then he only wanted one girlfriend in his life and that he knew that if he couldn’t be with her he would die. Then he went onto say that since them all he wants is to forget himself, that he didn’t want happiness and that he is sad for a reason. That he sleeps with married women so that they can save their marriages and that he is but an empty soul. that he is insatiable, that nothing can satisfy him and that the nice guy died.

Why in any case would he tell me all these things about himself if he was trying to trap me??? which normal person goes presenting themselves like this when they want to get someone’s attention? That does not make sense. After all he did want something out of me, otherwise he wouldn’t have been there at all, even if it was just sex.

And why are you so sure he does not love the GF if he apparently is quite considerate with her? and after nearly 1 year (although it is a long distance relationship) he is still with her. Something that never made sense to me either is how he always talks negatively about their relationship. He says they break up all the time, they fight, that they have different expectations, that she is simple minded, that she is too stupid to get a visa and job in his country, that she wants to marry and he doesn’t….so I always asked him why is he with her????

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Realistic says September 14, 2015

Look, Laura. You think the GF doesn’t know, that she’s being treated much better? I WAS the GF. I knew. My gut told me something wasn’t write and I WAS brainwashed. I believed I was “special” that I was “different” because he told me about his past – his cheating. I thought his honesty meant he loved me he was serious but then he’d disappear and the cycle began. You spend so much of your time trying to rationalise their actions, to understand why they do it – why he can’t love you. You drive yourself crazy. I stopped listening to my intuition and we were long distance – he had girls online, on his Skype, he was addicted to chat sites but he assured me “I’d never cheat on you.” I had proof, people would tell me but he’d lie and lie and lie until I felt I was crazy and I ME I would apologise to him for accusing him!?

That time was the most horrible for my mind, I didn’t trust myself I thought he was my world but truth was – he never loved me. He probably loved how easy I was – oh and he told me I was easy, followed by a “joke”.

I think you’re too focused on him and I don’t think you want to warn his GF in all honesty. I think that’s an excuse so he has a reason to talk to you, to come back to you. He doesn’t love his GF but she’s his primary source and has probably put up with years of his bs.

I still have moments where I think he loved me and I messed up by walking away – but I didn’t. Each silent treatment, disappearing act was him cheating or focusing in on another girl.

Will he come back to me? I finally after NC, which he used probably to spend more time with the girl he was grooming, told him to leave me alone after he decided he didn’t want to be with me anymore.

Did he? Yes. But will he forever? I still worry and think “this is it I screwed up” but my friends my support network remind me how I’m ridding myself off the toxicity. Do I love him? Yes and no. I love the man I THOUGHT he was which was just all my qualities.

He doesn’t love his GF and you’re lucky you’re not her because it’s like you’re drowning and nobody can save you except you. You want HIM to save you but why would he? Why would he reverse all the damage he has caused?

They always come back but the silence is when you learn to love yourself and realise that you deserve so much more.

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    Laura says September 14, 2015

    Realistic – I am sorry about your story and thanks for replying.

    I know how many people say “I was the GF” and then you know but every case is different. The reason why I think he must be really interested in her is because obviously, I see the differences. He spent with me maximum 36 hours each time we met. One of the times he even had 4 days off in a row. He still chose to see me 36 hours. He spends his holidays with her (between 1 and 2 weeks at a time).

    The reason he spends that little time with me, among other things, is because is she calls him and he is not there she gets suspicious. So, say they speak during the weekend at a certain time and when he is with me he is away from computer and phone so she gets suspicious if he doesn’t call or respond. Even the last time I was with him he said I created trouble for him (sure this was because the gf was looking for him and he wasn’t answering). I saw her number calling on his phone at home and he didn’t answer because he is with me. Also, a couple of times when I was talking to him on Skype she called and he told me he had to take the other person’s call so he finished the call with me to get the other one. I mean I see all these clear differences, so how can I go and say that he doesn’t love her? He met her for the first time last October (she is in another continent) and they met 3 times.

    Despite him saying all the time that they break up and fight all the time and that she wants to get married and he doesn’t and that they have different expectations and he says she is simple minded and too stupid to get a job and visa to go to his country, etc….the bottom line is that he is with her. If things are so negative, as I asked him before, why is he still with her? sustaining a long distance relationship and all the work that implies?? Right, the very one thing and which is obviously a problem is that he cheats on her all the time. He met her in December and in January he flew to a stranger to have sex and then the gf visited him in March and he had started talking to me in February and flew to me in April. The minute the gf left after visiting him he was talking to me again.

    But of course, in my eyes he treats her much better. I can see the difference of what he does with her and what he does with me. He doesn’t tell her all the women he sleeps with but he told me constantly if he was with one woman or another. Why?? He said he doesn’t tell her and doesn’t want her to ever know because he doesn’t want to hurt her.

    So how do I know he doesn’t love her?

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    Laura says September 14, 2015

    Also, in reply to what you said about me warning the gf, that is not an excuse at all so that he comes back to me. I can’t warn her because I saw her number when she called him but some digits were missing on the screen (I think because the number was too long to fit in the screen) so basically I can’t contact her, I have no way. If I had the number, email address or anything I would definitely contact her and that would have absolutely nothing got to do with him talking to me. In fact, if I did that I know he would never talk to me again.

    Actually, nearly 3 weeks ago he blocked me because I told him I wasn’t ever going to fly again to someone who accuses me of beating me so after that he blocked me. Then I was angry and told him I was going to contact his gf and I have the feeling he never unblocked me probably because I threatened him with contacting the gf. In the past he blocked me too but then he unblocked me. However, now I am blocked and I think it will be forever and as I said, I suspect it is because of me threatening with telling his gf.

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      W Mark Tomlinson says September 16, 2015

      Laura, my heart goes out to you, i am sorry you are going through this. i believe what you are doing is RUMINATING. Over and aver in your head you are obsessed with this pathetic piece of shit who has treated you terribly since day 1. He is not logical nor rational and you are trying to figure him out as if he were normal. They do what they do because they are crazy, it will never make sense to us, and you will never get the closure you so desperately seek.

      I am gay male and I am the other girl. My N claimed to be straight and I was his HUGE secret. He was literally terrified someone would find out about his boyfriend. 6 years later i find out he has a craigs list ad in the men seeking men section, and hooks up with multiple strangers for anonymous sex DAILY.

      you seem shocked that your shithead was with you one day and a month later he is with gf. Let me tell you honey, he can easily have sex with you in the morning, gf at lunch, total stranger at 5pm, and you again before he goes to sleep – and i would guarantee this type of thing has ALREADY HAPPENED. oh and he also masterbated a couple of times.

      i read all these posts and i am worried about you. do you realize how many times you wrote, ” he spends 36 hours with me and 2 weeks with her” ??? about 100 Girl, i’m sorry if this hurts, but he is just not that into you. You didnt have an idealization stage because he didnt see anything in you he wanted badly enough. And another thing – he DOES NOT love you NOR the GF and NEVER Did and NEVER WILL.

      HE Does not have the capability to love anyone, not even himself.

      There is nothing to figure out about him, what you see and hear is all there is. If you look deep inside him, trying to find answers, you will find nothingness, there is nothing there, he is just a hollow, souless, shell of a human being. they were created for exactly one purpose and given gifts and tools for that purpose – to cause a wake of utter destruction and damage and death to good people everywhere. They are EVIL.

      You simply do not realize what these people are capable of. YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER when you are near him. He has already threatened to beat you – He could kill you just because you annoy him. People falsely believe they know their psychopath because they have been married to him for 10-20 years – nothing could be further from the truth. anything he tells you or you discover about him snooping in his phone and email is just the TIP of the iceberg.

      So sweetheart, please do not agree to see him again when he calls. Change your phone number, skype and whatsapp, and thank the lord you got away with minimal damage. I just have a gut feeling if he sees you again, he will take his revenge and rage on you physically.

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Amanda says September 12, 2015

i though I was crazy until I found this post. My husband of 2 years will put me on a silent “time out”. I have an anxiety disorder and some health issues. If he can tell I am anxious he will refuse to speak to me until I act normal. If I talk too fast or don’t annunciation right he will ignore me. For hours. He will add up the the time of his I wasted telling a boring story and use that for the time I am not allowed to speak the next day. It’s making my anxiety and physical health worse. I try to speak correctly and not annoy him. I need help

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    Kim Saeed says September 12, 2015

    Amanda, I am sorry to know your husband is doing this to you. It is cruel and inhumane emotional abuse. Are you in any type of therapy and/or have you thought about separation?

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Laura says September 9, 2015

Jen – These are some of the comments he made:

2 months ago when he unblocked me he told me: “aren’t you happy you are able to talk to me again?” His comments were all the time like this:
“appreciate it that I call you”,
“if I give you a finger don’t take my arm”,
“I will call you when I want to”,
“you can ask questions but I can choose not to reply”,
“can you stop undermining my authority?”,
“no one entitles you to know my future steps except me and if you have issues with accepting that you force me to break it to you the hard way”
“Will you change? I had very little patience with you before. Now, I have none left. Anything goes wrong, any back talk and it is over!!!”
He asked me several times if I am addicted to him just when I wanted to talk to him
Another time after I sent him a few messages and he didn’t answer, he told me that he felt I wanted his attention and that then he called me because he felt pity
So many times he hung up on me. He one day counted 3, 2, 1 and hung up. He would ask me: “how many minutes do you want to talk to me today?”
He asked me if I know the cat and mouse game

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    Jen says September 9, 2015

    Yeah not really sure why you’re obsessing over someone who talks to you like that. That is utterly disrespectful and despicable. I want love and respect. Not a rude, controlling d-bag

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      Laura says September 9, 2015

      No Jen, it is not why he doesn’t talk to me. I just wanted to have a last talk where at least he says why he blocked me or if he doesn’t want it anymore, where I could also say my point of view. That is all I wanted. That at least I don’t have to remember this as someone who disappeared just by blocking me

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      Laura says September 9, 2015

      Jen – I also think that he has talked to me so much in the way I said that although I know it is not right I think I have become used to it as if in a way I don’t feel so shocked by it anymore. I really think I have become used to it. It is like I have accepted he is like that and it doesn’t surprise me anymore…….I feel depressed and I myself don’t understand why I tolerated it.

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Laura says September 9, 2015

Veronykah,

You said:

“Abusers don’t pick and choose the people they abuse, they abuse everyone they are in an intimate relationship with. Someone with a PD doesn’t decide to be a dick to one girl and cheat and be good to another, they do it to ALL of them, as he’s doing to you.”

Yes, you are probably right. I am sure you know much more than I do about all this. I don’t know what abusers do because I haven’t dealt with one till now. I have no idea if they abuse everyone or only the ones they decide to abuse. I have no idea if they could be really nice to some and really jerks to others. When I doubt about this is because I see the differences between the way he treated me and the way he treats the gf so of course, then I think he is much better with her.

I got to meet him 3 times. Each of those times were for 36 hours or less. He meets her for 1 or 2 weeks, he uses his holidays at work to meet her and he is always always there to talk to her in case she suspects something about his whereabouts. He wasn’t like that with me. He doesn’t tell her a word about his multiple women because he literally said he doesn’t want to hurt her. On the other hand, even when he doesn’t need to tell me because I would never find out anyway, he does tell me the women he sleeps with (I think with the only aim to hurt me). So there are clear differences in the way he treats me and treats her. How can I then believe he is abusive with all of us?

Sorry, it is not that I am in denial. It is that a) I don’t know if he is a Psychopath and b) don’t know how these people operate and c) I see differences in the way he treats different people being me the one overtly abused.

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    Jen says September 9, 2015

    Oh my gosh, who cares if he’s a psychopath or not? He treats you like absolute garbage!!!! Stop trying to figure out why he’s doing what he’s doing. Move on with your life. You’ve seen him 3 times. You hardly know him. He’s not worth it.

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    Veronykah says September 9, 2015

    Not sure why you care how he treats anyone else? He treats you badly and hardly knows you. Even if you were able to see him again or more, it will only get worse.
    Forget about him. Forget about closure or “one last talk” it’s not going to happen the way you want, even if you do speak to him again. I can guarantee that. Realize you aren’t going to get what you want. He’s not going to suddenly unblock you and have a rational conversation about why he did it that will make you feel better.
    IT.WILL.NOT.HAPPEN.
    You are chasing an illusion. Decide you’re done and close this book. Seriously.

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Laura says September 9, 2015

Veronykah, I am just having difficulty in figuring out what he is. First of all, this is all very recent. I feel my head is spinning. I don’t know what is going on really. It has come to a point that my head know something is wrong and my heart says something else. I can’t see with clarity. In addition, I have read quite a lot about Psychopaths and Narcissist abuse but sometimes I feel the more I read the more confused I get. There are things that fit and others don’t and then I get more confused.

In every article I have read it is clearly stated how these people go through 3 phases – idealization, devalue and discard. In my case, there was no idealization as such apart from the time he came over to meet me. He didn’t really love bombed me like every one seems to describe. Mine was being hostile from very early.

That is why I suppose people from the outside can see much clearer than me. People also talk about how these people always come back. Mine is not. He blocked me 2 weeks ago with no previous warning. I have asked him endless times to at least give me a reason as to why he did and told him that if this is it there is no problem with me but that at least he tells me. We have talked for 6 months and met 3 times and told him that clicking on a block button is so mean. I just wanted a reason why. He didn’t reply and I am sure he won’t.

So basically, I am lost.

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    Sandy says September 9, 2015

    With all due respect Laura, your efforts may be much better spent in trying to figure out yourself and why you are having such difficulty letting this person go. I wish you the best in your troubles…

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      Laura says September 9, 2015

      Sandy – I don’t know. I have asked myself 100 times and I don’t know the answer

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Kris says September 5, 2015

Hello,
Been struggling and suffering for 7 long years with someone who I assume to be a narc.
When we first started seeing each other, he would ignore me for days or weeks at a time. I used to bombard him with texts, begging for an explanation. Of course that didn’t bring him back until he was good and ready and usually he would half heartedly blame his absence on being busy or tired.
After all these years, that behaviour has subsided a lot. He doesn’t simply vanish at random anymore.
However, he’s extremely selfish, self centred and can’t take any criticism.
Often I am left completely and utterly bewildered by his reactions to something I say. He has called me a selfish cunt when I attempted to politely decline his demand of writing him a dirty text. I had been going through a hard time and was not in the mood to talk dirty to him as he often requests. It is rarely natural for me to do and I simply force myself in order to please him so he doesn’t get mad. But on this occasion I perhaps gave him too much credit, assumed he would be understanding. And told him I wasn’t feeling well and wasn’t in a dirty mood. I told him I’m a person too. And he needs to understand that. Well, Lordy Lordy! The words he had for me. Followed by the ignoring. Followed by me apologizing and him accepting, but saying I’m lucky he’s talking to me again.
Shoot ahead a few months to now. He often blows me off if I’m talking too much, as he sees it. With a fake smile and a nod. Or if I text him what he deams to be a long story, he will reply with a kiss emoticon and nothing else. I’m not an idiot. I know it means he either didn’t read it or doesn’t care.
So this time I made the mistake of expressing my anger. He asked what he did now… As if to say I’m constantly mad at him. Which I’m not. I told him very kindly, that when he blows me off or ignores me , it makes me feel bad.
Normal person would apologize? Him? Silence. Crickets. I fucking despise this person for all the pain he puts me through. But I can’t seem to ever move on and go without him. When I hear his personalized text tone, I feel instantly happier. I know I’m addicted. I can’t help myself.

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Jen says September 3, 2015

Look how you’re obssessing over someone you met three times.

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    Laura says September 3, 2015

    He hasn’t brainwashed me at all. I wouldn’t want to be his gf. What hurts me badly is his disrespect and how he blocks me like that out of the blue.

    The situation is very different. He did tell me he had a gf (although it didn’t sound very believable). He tells me about the women he sleeps with. Actually, I think I know lots about his real self, something the gf does not. He is not careful about me not finding out who he sleeps with, in fact he tells me in my face. On the other hand, he always makes sure the gf doesn’t find out. There is a huge difference. I know him much better than the gf does. If I was going to be with him I know what I would be getting into. She doesn’t.

    I am not obsessing about being with him. I know that will be impossible. I obsess at the way he is behaving because anyone despite of the label you carry, i.e. gf, friend, whatever deserves respect, especially when I have always been nice to him.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      I never ever defended him in any way. I do know he is a cheater and for that very reason I wouldn’t be able to be with him ever. What I can’t understand is someone I spent 6 months talking to and I have met 3 times can be so nasty to me for no reason, that is all.

      Veronykah said that she had it shitty before the cheating and afterwards too, but that doesn’t have to be the case here too with the gf. It may be that the only way in which he is being nasty to her (and of course, I am convinced she doesn’t know) is in that he is cheating on her. Otherwise, he might be nice to her. It doesn’t necessarily have to be the case that he is being an asshole with her too (apart from the cheating part). I doubt it very much he goes blocking her and when she calls he is there to answer and when he is with me or others he only offers short amounts of time so that the gf doesn’t get suspicious. It looks like to me that he is anything but apparently nice to her.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      As I said before he blocked me last week on whatasapp and Skype. Unable to stop the contact as I would still like an explanation as to why he blocked me, I sent him some messages on whatsapp from another mobile number (as my own is blocked by him). He read them all. He didn’t answer to anything but I am surprised he hasn’t blocked that number. I really thought he would since I am blocked everywhere else……

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    Laura says September 4, 2015

    Yes, I admit I am obsessed. All I said to Verornykah is that my guy and your guy don’t have to be the same and the fact that you were the gf in that situation does not mean my guy’s gf has to be going through the exact same thing you did or or being treated the exact same way you were or have it as bad as you did. It doesn’t have to be the same story.

    I am still badly affected and haven’t got over it of course, that is why I am in the process of wondering, doubting everything. I wish I could just switch off the button and not care but if that was the case I would have never been with him in the first place and I wouldn’t be here either. It was only last week he disappeared. I need time. However, I do know he is an abuser (with me) as I cannot judge what he is with other, I can only guess and I do know I have to go no contact. Knowing in your mind what you have to do is one thing, being able to do it because your heart interferes is another.

    I am not arguing. I am just explaining what comes through my head and I am just saying that stories are not identical and nor are the motives or other things.

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      Veronykah says September 4, 2015

      Of course the stories and experiences are not identical but spend enough time on boards like this and the stunning similarities between what they do and even SAY will make your head spin.
      My ex was BPD (all BPD are narcissists but all narcissists aren’t BPD?) and I am in a group with other people, men and women who have been in relationships with BPDs and they all act pretty similarly. Which is also the case with NPD and ALL personality disorders so to make assumptions about his behavior based on the assumption that he is in fact NPD is not as far out as you seem to think it is.
      I was with someone with a PD for 3 years, I’ve been in communities and done my own therapy and read enough books over this time to make the comments I’ve made. I’m not assuming and saying these things with no facts and info to back it up.
      PDs all follow similar play books, if they didn’t they wouldn’t fit the criteria and therefore wouldn’t have a PD.
      Do some research, READ about NPD and you’ll likely find yourself nodding your head in agreement. Unless of course, you were never involved enough with this person to know or get to see these behaviors in person.

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        Sandy says September 4, 2015

        You’re right, Veronykah. I’m actually beginning to believe the creeps study sites like this in order to perfect their evil schemes. I really think it is more than simple coincidence that so many do and say the exact same things in victimizing others!

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Jen says September 3, 2015

There is no part of him that respects her. Bc people who love other people RESPECT them and do anything in their power not to hurt them

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    Laura says September 3, 2015

    No, of course I wouldn’t want to be his gf ever,of course not, knowing what I know. Yes, he cheated on her with me and with many others but he is not hurting her because he makes really sure she doesn’t know. That is why he only spent 36 hours with me, i.e. so that she doesn’t suspect if he is gone absent for too long

    She is not hurt from the moment she knows nothing about what he does. It is the same as he said once: that he knows she is far away and that she can have sex with others every day as long as he doesn’t know about it.

    And narcissists are jerks, yes but there are many jerks who are not narcissists or psychopaths.

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      Veronykah says September 3, 2015

      First, you are assuming she doesn’t know. Which you don’t know.
      Second you are assuming she can’t be hurt?
      Mine was a cheater and when the women (who knows how many there were) he had been cheating with told ME it was devastating.
      So the idea that he is not hurting her? Yeah, so wrong. SO WRONG.
      I’m not sure anyone has ever hurt me more than he did when I found that out as I NEVER thought he was that guy.
      She probably has some idea somewhere but doesn’t want to acknowledge it honestly.
      That fact that you don’t seem to care about her I find to be more troubling. Just because he is an asshole to her doesn’t mean you need to be part of the abuse. Have respect for yourself and the other woman and get away from him.
      Just because he lacks integrity doesn’t mean you have to and also doesn’t mean you aren’t doing something wrong.
      I blame my ex for the cheating but the girl doesn’t get away with it just because she wasn’t MY gf, she KNEW about me and to me that is pretty shitty too.
      I told her they can have each other, they both deserve to be with cheaters.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        My ex narcs new girl, who he started seeing while we were together is in denial. As soon as I found out about her, I confronted her…showed her screenshots of his texts and picturrs sent to me, bc she had no clue. She told me I’m miserable and jealous and I need to move on bc he’s never cheated with her…even tho he did…repeatedly. she saw physical proof and still calls me a liar. shes seriously under some spell bc he made her block me so i can’t sent further evidence. Brainwashed. She has no idea how deep she’s in.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        He told me he loves her and I need to leave him alone even tho he was confessing undying love two days before to me. I said ok, I’m not one to fight over a dude and I don’t disrespect other women like that…no matter how dumb they act. I was shocked bc I didn’t think he was like that either. But three girls at once…and this new one thinks she hit the lotto. It’s sad.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      I am assuming she doesn’t know because if she did know with how many he sleeps I doubt it she would be there wanting to marry him.

      I never said she cannot be hurt. What I said is that if she doesn’t know what is going on of course, she is not hurt YET because she has no idea. So what you don’t see doesn’t hurt you. He cannot hurt her unless she does know what is happening.

      I don’t understand when you say I don’t care about her. If I had her number, I would tell her not about me but about what he does. This girl is in another continent. Knowing what he does is close to impossible, especially when he makes sure he is always there to talk to her so that she doesn’t suspect.

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      Veronykah says September 3, 2015

      If you are sleeping with and having a relationship with someone who is in a relationship with someone else, then you are part of the problem. Period. If you didn’t KNOW that’s one thing. But you do know and you call her his girlfriend.
      That is not caring, saying you’d call her to let her know he’s sleeping with you and a million other girls? Not really a favor honestly.
      If he’s this much of a dick, he’s being a dick to her too, believe me. Mine was shitty before he cheated and shitty after.
      I was pissed when I found out, we broke up, I HATED him. But the trauma bonding and hoovering was strong and I took him back.
      If you’ve been tortured by this guy (either of you) believe that the girlfriend has had it 10000x worse. She IS brainwashed. That’s what they DO.
      Feel bad for her and get the F away from him. She can learn her lesson on her own. You don’t need to add to the misery by being with him too.
      The mean things he did to me were awful but nothing like the pain of finding out about his cheating. That was the worst. I didn’t need to see the photos, I didn’t need to get her email. I really didn’t.
      Not enabling cheaters is something you can do.
      That part is 100% your responsibility. I don’t see how you can see your part in that as anything but wrong.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        I had no clue. We started dating in August last year. I found out about her last week. Saw pictures of them back to December. I don’t think she had a clue. I let her know he’s slimey bc he got it past me. I told him peace out…he can have her if she’s dumb enough to be with a cheater

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Veronykah, how’d you find out he was cheating? P.s. my dad passed in May and was sick before I met him in august so I was already vulnerable and maybe that’s how he got it past me. Plus I was brainwashed bc another girl wrote to me and told me he was cheating. I saw her screenshots yet I still doubted she was telling the truth even tho I had evidence bc he was justifying and lying thru evidence. That lasted a few days til she told me about another girl he was screwing with that she knew about…his current gf. There were three of us…I came first. Ugh

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      Veronykah says September 3, 2015

      First, does it matter if she is or not?
      Second, the only way to stay with an abuser is to be brainwashed. Really. You have to buy their bullshit and their stories and their lies to be able to deal with the things they do and the way they treat you.
      I’ve BEEN there. I was in a relationship with an abuser for 3 years. I was brainwashed by his “so nice” side, he was so caring and sensitive and treated me so great, except when he didn’t. There were signs he was cheating, I’m sure now. But I was so deep in it that I didn’t want to see them and when I asked him where he’d go when he’d disappear and give me the silent treatment for a week or more he always had a good excuse, as I’m sure this dude does. She believes him because she WANTS to. She HAS to to maintain the relationship.
      Mine ex lived a 40 min drive from my house (on a good day) having a double life, doing weird stuff but always having an excuse, being secretive about his phone, there are signs. She may not know he is cheating, she may believe him but I am almost positive if she’s been with him for any length of time she’s got suspicions.
      Do some research on NPD and BPD…there are so many tactics abusers use to keep you in check.
      Oh look, mine JUST left me a VM. 7 months of NC and a voicemail.
      Ugh.
      http://www.bpdcentral.com/blog/?Fear-Obligation-and-Guilt-FOG-in-High-Conflict-Relationships-36

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      Veronykah says September 3, 2015

      Thanks Jen. After 3 years in hell with my ex getting out was the best thinking ever, I’m so happy now. I was always strong, I just let myself be vulnerable with him, big mistake.
      How’s he taking to no contact?
      I just figured out how to block him from google voice this afternoon because after 7 months of NOT A WORD from me, he is still calling me. He called as I was posting here today!
      He sent me a bunch of letters in the mail, emails, phone calls, comments on my instagram pics, text messages. He even showed up at my apt about a month ago asking if I wanted “to talk”. Uh, no.
      He gave me a bag with toys for my dogs, candy and a collage of ticket stubs/pics etc from when we were together saying “thru thick and thin…I will always love you” or some shit.
      Short version, he’s not taking it at all. He still seems to think we have something to talk about or he can still waltz back into my life again like he did all the other times.
      Too bad for him he’s WRONG. I’m so done.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Hahaha that is so awesome. Wish I was that strong. Wishe I never could tasted his gf and just let him go when I found out, no contact. But I fed into it and played his game and wrote to her. Pretty sure it made him hate me tho. And I think he won’t get any urges to write to me bc he holds grudges and is stubborn

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    Laura says September 3, 2015

    and I wonder, if she goes to his country and live with him, how is he going to be able to keep cheating on her? that won’t be possible anymore. I wonder if he only cheats on her because she is far away. He once said that he needs sex every day (being a sex addict as he said)

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      Well, if I had a way to contact her I would, not in a bad way, but just to warn her. From there on it would be her choice but at least I would try to save her from this guy. I saw her number on his phone when I was with him. He was in the bathroom at the time. I tried to memorize it but even like that I am sure there were some digits missing as it was an international number and I have the feeling it didn’t fit all on the screen. I wish I could contact her. At least it would be revenge for me towards him too.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      So, is it better she lives in fairy land? not knowing what is going on?? This case may be different because as I said she lives far away so much more difficult to find out for her that he is cheating.
      Really, if he is so much worse to her, why would she be there? and wanting to marry???

      When I met this guy I even thought this gf didn’t even exist. I thought he had made it up so that I wouldn’t get too attached to him as he only wanted an affair. The way he talked about her (even if she existed) I thought at any moment they would break up. I have never ever been the type of person who would get involved with someone who is taken, never!!!! but I really didn’t feel this guy was taken in any shape or form.

      What makes you think that the gf has had it X10000 times worse? I can’t believe she would be there, especially sustaining a long distance relationship when they haven’t even seen each other since March if she has had it that bad.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Laura, she is brainwashed. Take it from me. My narc lied thru proof I was seeing with my eyes and I believed him. I told this new girl about him and I AND the other one and she told me to leave her alone and she assured me they are very happy together and he did not cheat…even though he slept with me at least three times in two months when him and I weren’t getting along well but we’re trying to work it out when my dad was dying…having no clue about these girls. Conot acting her is a waste of your time bc she won’t believe you and he won’t care. If he loses her he will move on to someone else.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      You say she has to be brainwashed to be with an abuser. But how do I know he is an abuser with her? All I can say is he is an abuser with me. There is no way I can judge he is an abuser with her. He travelled to her country twice. She visited him once in his country and as far as I know they met each other’s families. Why do I have to assume he is an abuser with her? All I know for sure is that he is cheating on her but no clue if she abuses her. Maybe he abuse me because he knew he didn’t want anything out of the thing with me, however he seems to be very interested in keeping it going with her.

      I always thought if he really wanted to spend more time with me he could have done so by her leaving in another country. Can’t she not tell her he is going for a few days away? or what? is he meant to be locked in a house and not allowed to go away for more than 36 hours just because he has a gf??? He could have easily said he is going away with friends or whatever. She is in another country anyway, why is he meant to be a prisoner in his house to talk to her? and if he chooses not to go away for more than 36 hours there must be a reason. Too much consideration for a gf he abuses….

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      Veronykah says September 3, 2015

      Why do I think she has it worse? Because I’ve BEEN the girlfriend.
      Why is she there? Read up on NPD and how they groom you. Do you know the extent of their relationship? Do you know what they talk about? How they met? How long they’ve been together or how much?
      No, you know what HE tells you which I’m sorry to say is probably mostly lies. Truth ain’t their strong suit.
      http://ladywithatruck.com/the-3-phases-of-a-relationship-with-a-narcisist/
      Abusers don’t pick and choose the people they abuse, they abuse everyone they are in an intimate relationship with. Someone with a PD doesn’t decide to be a dick to one girl and cheat and be good to another, they do it to ALL of them, as he’s doing to you.
      If you don’t think you are brainwashed simply because you don’t want to be his gf you are mistaken. You are here, you are thinking about him, wondering and caring WHY. If you weren’t being played by him you wouldn’t give a shit. You’d have walked and not looked back, knowing what garbage he clearly is.
      But you are obsessing over a guy you don’t even know, that is brainwashing my friend.
      My first BF was also a narc and I knew about ALL the girls he was sleeping with too, because we weren’t “in a relastionship” even though we lived together and slept together most of the time. I thought it was ok because I knew about all of them and they didn’t know about me. We were best friends! I knew him better than anyone! Guess what? He was still an abusive jerk to me. He still hooked me into his fucked up world and made me think I was in control and it was all good. I was not. Anyone who makes you feel like shit, like you can’t say what you want to say about what they do or do things that continually hurt you and don’t care, they are an abuser.
      You are in denial.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Veronykah is right on. I love how strong you are. How long did your ex take to contact you after you left him and initiated no contact?

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          Veronykah says September 3, 2015

          I think it was 3 months on the dot that I got a package from him. The it all started, phone calls, texts, etc. Hasn’t let up much since then, so it’s been going on and on for 4 months. Guess whatever he was up to for those 3 months was done with him. lol

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          Jen says September 3, 2015

          Haha. This loser claims to be so happy. I hope he is. So he won’t try to Come back. Bc thats when I get weak. He was always disappearing and coming back every single week confessing his love, begging me to talk. I gave in til I found out how slimey he is, cheating with two other females and I came first…ugh. Now that I see how terrible he is and thrives on attention, I won’t give it to him.

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      Cecilia says September 16, 2015

      Laura–

      You are asking how he will continue with his lifestyle after he’s in the same country as his GF (potentially future wife)?

      I am just exiting a relationship with a narc who is married, 2 kids. He lives in my state, travels extensively for work. He always manages to have relationships “supply” outside his home relationship. He covers his tracks neatly, selects his outside partners carefully, and is extra careful never to expose his wife to any whiff of his extracurricular activities. As for how he manages it? Well, it is masterful. He has a specific app he uses to communicate, he limits textual communication, no screenshots are allowed because the app will alert him. He meets women all the time in his industry, so he is constantly culling, selecting and grooming his next sleeping partners. He watched me and admired me for 2 years prior to our involvement. He had guys who were his confidantes reporting back to him on me and my interests so he could easily talk with me when we did see each other. Once we finally got together ( which shamefully was me initiating — I am also married), he began with his TRUE self– which is very hollow. He proclaims that he “has it really good” at home, has another ex ( maybe still involved?) gf that is a married lesbian who quite possibly gave birth to his child earlier this year. He is cultivating new relationships in the state he works in. Has started the grooming with several women there– all visible on his social networks. Unless you’ve been there, one wouldn’t know that he is grooming these ladies, but I recognize it.

      Fact is, these men never stop. This guy just had a baby outside his marriage, and he was still messing around. ( shamefully – without protection with me!)

      What kind of narcissist is that?! He has a huge ego, feels like he us rich and powerful enough that nothing can touch him. I will never say anything to his wife or in our mutual community because I don’t want to be the one to hurt her. He already does that himself. And… The debt collector will come once his baby boy comes to right age and seeks him out. His wife will then have wasted all her life with him ( she’s 41 now– imagine when the kid us 18 and hungry to find his biological dad– that’s a secret that will come out!
      This narc was so certain and yet hollow that he decided a huge prize and gift to his ego was to “turn” a lesbian. Which is what he was doing with his other GF when she got pregnant. Turns out she was Bi, was very in love with him, but he pushed her away despite the fact she was having his baby.

      See what kinds of messes these people create? If you aren’t married to one, or even if you are, you need to RUN now!! It’s not worth it.

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    Veronykah says September 3, 2015

    Jen, the other girl found my email somehow and sent me an email telling me how sick she was of him breaking up with me to be with her then breaking up with her to go back to me. This was after I visited him at work and she must have seen us together, as she works at the same place apparently.
    I had NEVER heard of her before this. She kept claiming it so I said show me some proof, she sent emails and photos. It destroyed me.
    I made him come over and had the pics on my computer when I confronted him and he still tried to lie his way out of it.
    I punched him in the face a few times and kicked some dents in his truck during the ensuing confrontation. Broke up with him and told her she could have him too. Then he kept trying to come back, stalker like. Apologizing, leaving notes on my car, flowers, emails, blah blah blah.
    I was so deep in I took him back. I think that’s when I made him start individual therapy and he seemed to be doing better. But eventually he started with the same shit again, how he was unhappy and needed to see his son and all sort of dumb stuff I heard a million times before he would break up with me. He broke up with me for that last time in February. I gave him his stuff, cried about 8 tears and for whatever reason I was finally done.
    I don’t miss him and don’t care about him anymore. He’s been trying to get me back since. I’ve gone no contact 100% and it feels SO good.
    Anytime I’ve even felt a little anything for him I think back to how awful I felt that day I found out about who he REALLY was and I have no desire to see his face ever again.
    Good riddance. I hope she is with him. She deserves it.

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      Jen says September 3, 2015

      Yeah. He’s been stalking my social media since we split before my dad died. But kept saying he wanted to work on us. Sent me flowers, begged to come to my dads funeral. He admitted he’s been stalking my stuff. He knows who i was talking to and what i did, when. Tbru social media. our contacts became less and less but be wouldnt let me go. Came back every week near the end saying he loves me and wants me back. My dad died and I was vulnerable so I stuck around. Til I did sone snooping after talking to the first girl and said woah…he had you too? What about this other girl I saw on his instagram when he was trying to get back with me. I was furious. Livid. Confronted him about the first giel and as I said, lied and lied. I found out about the second girl weeks later when I found an actual name but at first denied her when I had no physical proof. Told her and she didn’t listen. They deserve each other. Sorry for your ex. I will never go back to this day bag. He hates me for telling on him. I think he’s gone for good bc I pissed him off beyond recognition.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      I am not sure why you keep insisting she is brainwashed. Yes, maybe she is but when you are in another country the chances that you don’t know what is going on behind your back are huge. Sometimes you don’t even know when they are in the same city as it has happened to both of you. Why would she know what he does if she leaves miles away????

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        You live in a different country and are clearly brainwashed too. You keep defending him even though you know he’s a scumbag. He brainwashed you to cling to him. It’s inadvertent and subconscious and he’s got u hooked

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      I am not in denial. I know he is an abuser but all I can say is that he is an abuser with me. I cannot judge what he does with others unless I see it for myself.

      You say the gf has it worse because you have been the gf but whatever happened in your relationship doesn’t necessarily have to be the same that is happening in this one. Your guy could have had other motives, different to my guy’s motives, I don’t know. Not everything has to be the same.

      I don’t know what they talk about, except that he told me that she wants to get married so that she can move to his country with him and he doesn’t and that they have different expectations, and that there is disrespect, and that she is simple minded and too stupid to get a visa and a job in his country and that if they live together they will fight the same as they did while on holidays and that they fight all the time and that they break up, etc…..sometimes he has said for example that they haven’t talked in a few days because they break up……I think they met online and he went to meet her for the first time last October. I think they have met in October, December and March, so 3 times….but why would he tell me all those negative things about the relationship? it is not like he ever wanted to make me believe I had any chance with him because he always made it clear he didn’t want to be my bf or have anything with me apart from sex.

      I know I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t care. Thing is I do care about the abuse he carried out but I am not brainwashed in the sense I would want to be with him at any cost. I always knew I would never be with him because I would not be able to be with someone like him ever. I know if I was his gf he would be doing all this to me. The privilege I have is that I do know his real self because he let me see it whereas the gf probably doesn’t know even half of what I know. With her he has to hide it, not with me so I play with advantage in that way. I simply don’t get how these evil people operate, I do not understand their brains and that is why I might be in denial, but in denial of not understanding how people can be so evil, not in denial that he is not an abuser.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Laura, you have literally been talking about the same thing over and over and over for the last two days. You ARE obsessed. You met him three times and he clearly doesn’t give a shit about you or anyone he dates. It’s not worth trying to play sleuth and figure out bc you’ll never figure out. Chances he doesn’t even know why he does what he does. And you ask us for advice but counter and argue everyrhing we say. We are trying to help and support you but you argue everything.

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          Sandy says September 3, 2015

          Hate to sound cold and heartless toward Laura, but some people thrive on drama and mistreatment, and sadly for her she seems to fit that type. So many times we analyze our situations out to silly extremes, when what we ought to do is sit back and ask ourselves “Is this how I want to be treated in love? Is this what I’m willing to put up with?”
          My black and white thought process gets me in trouble sometimes, but for this stuff it has served me well. It all boils down to inner peace and happiness, in my not-so-humble opinion. Does it feel good? Then stay with it! Does it hurt like hell and cause unending misery? Then get out! Does it hurt like hell, cause unending misery, and you still want to deny the facts and ignore solid advice and hang in there anyway? Good luck with that! Sorry to sound heartless, but sometimes it’s best to read the writing on the wall. And sad but true, those who can’t read it for what it is are those who will suffer longest and most…and no amount of analysis will beat that stone cold fact.

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          Veronykah says September 3, 2015

          Exactly. She wanted answers we gave them to her but we’re all wrong. Not sure what she wants from us other than to tell her to continue to try to contact him and that it’ll all work out?
          Good luck with that sister.
          Be happy you only got this far with him.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Laura, who cares what he says and does to her? He lives in another country and doesn’t want to be with you and treated you like trash. Id say youre not at a loss. Youre the winner bc youre not dealing with his crap anymore. She is. You cant be the martyr and save her. She will not listen and he will not care. Youre torturing yourself and dragging this out. First, learn how to love and respect yourself so you can move on from the abuse and brainwashing. Go hang out with friends. Go to the gym. Eat yummy food. Visit family. Stop thinking about something that is over and clearly dysfunctional in your life. You should wanot better for yourself. Think about this…if you had a daughter, what would your advice be to her in this case??

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Jen says September 3, 2015

Further, he’s a pathological liar. Almost everything he’s ever said has been a lie. And he does it with a straight face, no blinking or getting nervous. Immediate responses. I’ve caught him red handed aND he still continues to lie. When I see with my eyes, the truth. So I still call him out and he gets more aggressive and angry and mean as to how could I not believe and and “oh, I’m such a horrible person. I’m this terrible person. Keep playing the victim Jen. You only suspect things and you believe them to be truth.” I’m what? I only believe things I suspect? Yeah I’m looking at physical proof with my eyes that you cheated three times. And I am the victim, you continue to lie when I have proof. You’re sick. He always tried to project or make me feel guilty for calling him out bc he’s “neither a cheater nor a liar and he’s never cheated on anyone in his life.” So when I called him out, he went into defense mode and found all sorts of techniques to divert attention and somehow put it back on me and accuse ME of cheating and being dishonest and a whore, etc. It was all a distraction technique. Normal people admit to cheating and apologize if they really love you. They are compassionate. I caught him several times and he lied and lied until he finally just left after the third girl. In which he was mean and cold hearted after confessing his love to me three days before. That my friends, is a very unhealthy person. His girl thinks she hit the lotto. She has no idea what’s coming her way.

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    Laura says September 3, 2015

    I have sent several emails and sms. All I asked in those was for him to talk to me in order to tell me why he blocked me. In the past when he blocked me he told me why at least. He hasn’t replied to a single thing. Now it has been 8 days since he blocked me and something inside tells me this time is for good.

    You say they want positive and negative attention. Well, what I gave him was negative attention if I was calling out his shit, I guess. I have the gut feeling the reason why he keeps me blocked now is because I threatened him with telling his gf, something I had never done before.

    At least I would feel much better if like other times, he told me this is good bye forever. At least, that way I could go forward. Now, all I am thinking of is whether one day he will be back because he has done it before. For me, what is really creating anxiety is the fact that I don’t know if this is for good or not.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      I just would like to understand what it is that makes the guy I met a psychopath and not just a jerk. This guy didn’t lie to me at all. He did tell me he had a gf, he has blatantly told me the women he sleeps with (and he didn’t need to say cause he could have lied to me as he does with his gf). He hasn’t lied in any way. Maybe I was expecting too much and he just pushed me away.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Maybe. Either way he’s a jerk or a narc. And you want neither. Be happy that cancer is gone. Pick up the pieces and move on. Find love and respect for yourself.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      I am just asking your opinion. Do you see him as a jerk or more as something else? I remember the last time he unblocked me he asked: “aren’t you happy now that you are able to talk to me again?”. I felt so bad. It was like he had allowed me to talk to him and I should be happy, the same way he recently told me “appreciate it that I call you”.

      For me it is not the same if he is a jerk or if he is a psychopath.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Why would it be ok if he was a jerk and not a psychopath? He’s treated you like garbage.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      No, actually I would feel much more relieved if he was a psychopath. At least I would know he is disordered. I would want to know the difference between the typical guys who are jerks and what this one did, that is all.

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Narcissists are jerks. All of them. And yes I think he’s a narc!! He has serious issues that you will never be able to fix bc chances are he has no clue how messed up he is. You can’t be jealous of the other girl. She got cheated on…with YOU and she’s cluess. Would you rather be in her shoes aND be clueless and made into a fool?

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disillusioned says September 2, 2015

That weblink is very useful Jen. It is only now nearly 5 months on that I can see the level of maniuplation and control I was living with. I believe him. I loved him. I never thought he would humiliate, lie and and deceive me as he cared about me. Hell, I even believed him when he said he wasn’t physically/biologically made to sleep with more than one woman at a time. Well that is true isnt it – he can’t literally be with two woman at the same time. So he even played on that ‘truth’. I have started to accept the emotional distress and damage I have been living with. I can also see when I re-read messages and emails from him how cold and heartless and controlling he was. He was constantly telling me what to do, what not to feel, how not to behave. And I am an intelligent woman – but I was played mercilessly by this man. And right now I have been intimidated by him and his pregnant new woman (who isn’t new as he was seeing her while seeing me as she is at least 6 months pregnant). So it is hard, it is hurtful and it is only with time, patience and self care and the support of friends and family that I am starting to feel like me again. And people are commenting, that I am smiling more, that I am less docile, more in control, the feisty woman I always was before this man decided to move beyond his 2 year email courtship of ‘friends’ to physical intimacy, the hot and cold, the lies and deceit while I was unwell and frankly not fit to understand what he was saying and doing and then complete and utter humiliating discard. And then the complete silence. The ignoring me while his new woman began harassing me at work. I am moving very soon as far away as I can get, and this will help in terms of feeling safe. But I am aware that the emotional damage is not going to disappear. I remember random comments – like how we couldnt go to his bed one day because he hadnt cleaned the sheets. When I probed, the cat had been sick and he hadnt had time to change. Yeah right! I can now see that even then only a couple of months in to what I thought was the start of the best relationship ever with a man who got me, understood me, had the same values, cared, sensitive, blah blah was a man who was already taking others to his bed. And possibly when it started with me finishing with someone else. I have found out that in the three year period he said he had lived like a monk he had a minimum of 4 other relationships with young woman at work. So everything about us was a lie. My reality was real to me. But it was based on lies and deceit. That is the hardest thing to move on from, accepting that te relationship and man who knew more about what I wanted than what I had acknowledged to myself what I wanted was based on his mirroring back to me what he had worked out about me. I am real, my experiences are real. He unfortunately was just a mirage who decided to inflict a huge amount of pain on me. I have become wiser though and realise that abuse (emotional and psychological) is hard to recognise while it is happening, and even when you do it is so hard to accept that this happened. But it did. and the only way to thrive again is to accept that and focus on things in life that bring pleasure and joy. In my case a blue sky, being around people who actually do care about me and demosntrate it in action and words, there are small things that lift my spirits, ice cold water, strawberries. A friend bringing me sunflowers. All small. All more meaningul than the 3 years of my encounter with the man I believe to be sociopathic as well as narcisstic (becuase yes, I read everything i possibly could to understand what had happened to me). But it is hard and I feel so much for Laura as she pours out her questions here – the complete confusion is so hard to understand and then accept. But I believe everyone who experiences this gets there in the end, even if it is a slow and painful journey, with relapses along the way!.

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    Jen says September 2, 2015

    Wow…you sound like a totally different person now than you did this morning!! Yayy

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      Jen, I think you thought it was me who posted that….not sure. That was someone else. I am still struggling very much so. I read the article though and it is really good. I have read a lot. The problem is that although I recognise those features and I admit he could be a Psychopath it is still hard to accept it. I have no doubt his behaviour was so abusive and so destroying but I find it difficult to accept that people like this can exist. It is like you read but you think that cannot happen to you. And it hurts badly how he blocked me this time, other times too, but this time in particular. I had only been with him 2 weeks ago and to read on a whatsapp that it was out of question to see me again (although I knew it somehow) in such a cold manner, making fun of the raping comment I told him adding to it the “fisting and gagging and bondage”. I felt like a knife cutting my heart. Those were his last words. That is the last thing he said. 6 months, 3 times meeting and all I will remember is how he was making fun of raping. And then he blocked me and vanished.

      I can read all the articles in the world but the pain, the pain is going to be there for quite a while. The humiliation, the psychological and emotional abuse. Only a week ago he had an asthma attack, he told me he was at the emergency doctor. I was worried about him. I talked to him, I wanted to know how he was. A week later he blocks me. I can’t wrap my head around this.

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    Laura says September 3, 2015

    Hi disillusioned,

    It is great to see that you are doing and feeling better. I wish I could be there now but I am going through a lot of pain at the moment. I have been reading non stop and this article Jen sent is fantastic. But you know? even after reading so much I keep wondering if my guy is really a Psychopath/Sociopath/Narcissist. If I really knew he was one I think it would help me greatly but you know what keeps coming into my head:

    I wonder, could he be just a “normal” guy, the typical jerk who has a gf and at the same time he wants other women on the side? maybe that is what he wanted and he doesn’t want the extra women to pursue anything further than sex with him. Perhaps, if he notices that the additional women, like me, want actually something more serious or if he sees I am sentimental and I have values and that I actually want more, which I do, then maybe his way is to push me away in a cold and cruel way so that I get the message and get into my head that he won’t offer me that. Once he said he was with a woman and that she told him she was falling in love with him and that he had to stop seeing her because he already had a gf and he didn’t want two. Could it be he is just a jerk and not a psychopath? That is what really keeps coming into my head all the time.

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      Jen says September 3, 2015

      Nope. Not a coincidence. He’s a psychopath. Healthy people don’t go around ignoring each other for things like that. They talk it out. Each person listens to the other and they do it without judgement or meanness. Whenever a psychopath doesn’t get his way, he has a temper tantrum and ignores you til you learned your lesson or he gets bored and needs your attention. I go through that same ambivalence everyday. Maybe he was just going through a spell of wanting attention when he was dating the three of us and flirting with everyone else. Maybe he was just lost but has now found the woman of his dreams aND that’s why he discarded me and he’s gonna be so good and loving to her. We cant unserstand how people can be so selfish and cruel bc our minds dont operate like that. At all. We have this thing called empathy…and narcs lack that. Reality is, my narc was a scumbag before and is a scumbag now. An article I read said that often victims of narcs question their sanity and if their narc really is one. She said if you’ve EVER been given the silent treatment then hands down yes he’s a narc. Healthy people don’t just disappear. They talk rationally. And they don’t have four girls at once. I know mine was dating three of us but had so many other thru text and social media that he was seeking attention from. Sometimes I wonder if he really is a narc aND think he will be so great to the new one that he left me so callously for and then ignored me. They look so happy on social media. However, I also know that he cheated on her for seven months, lied to her for seven months and when I confronted her, had her so manipulated that she didn’t believe the physical proof of texts and pictures I sent her that he had sent to me in the last seven months. She doesn’t believe the physical proof. That girl is in deep. That’s how you know he’s a scum. She blocked me on everything without even listening what I had to say bc he told her I’m crazy and jealous. I was just trying to help her out bc he deceived me for a year and he deceived her for seven months when he was begging to see me and have sex with me and love me. He’s still lying to her now. Tell me how that’s any kind of respect for her at all.

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      Laura says September 3, 2015

      The reason I wonder if he is a psychopath is because of course, I am not a professional and don’t know his history to diagnose it. I do know he has a gf and he had no problem in admitting that from the start and then I do know that he sleeps with whoever comes along and he has also made sure he has told me about many women he slept with and I do know he is cheating on the gf. But there are also many men out there who cheat on their gfs/wives with other women and they are not psychopaths. How can I know my guy is? Can I call him psychopath because he sleeps with many women and cheats on his gf? One of the revealing things though is the fact that even having a gf whom he saw in December he was flying to another woman only weeks later to have sex with her (she was a stranger). Also, after being with gf in March he flew to me in April. That is all I know for sure.

      You said:
      “Whenever a psychopath doesn’t get his way, he has a temper tantrum and ignores you til you learned your lesson or he gets bored and needs your attention”

      What I last said to him is that I didn’t want to fly to someone who is a beater and talks about rape. I don’t see that as him not getting his way because he in fact was the one who first said that meeting me again is out of the question so if I say to him that I won’t meet him either that should make him feel relieved. Also, he knows he talked to me about rape and he threatened with beating me so that is a fact. How is that not getting his way?

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Again, you called him abusive. You pointed out his shortcomings and reminded him he’s not perfect. Healthy people can handle that. Narcs cannot. You stopped giving him the supply he needs so he dropped you. Point blank. Never cared about…doesn’t know how to love truly. You were used. Everyone he’s with will always be used. He’s warped

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        He may have not wanted you to visit but what he did want was for you to always fall all over him and give him attention…negative or positive it’s all the same to a narc. You stopped giving him what he wants to hear. You made him see reality of himself that he hates. Your use for him is done. You stopped stroking his ego. He will find someone who will thinks he’s perfect. My narc always disappeared when I called him out but always came back days later looking for attention

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        Jen says September 3, 2015

        Also, attention is attention…as long as he has at least one person to have sex with…attention can come in any form and be just as fulfilling, whatsapp, texts, facebook, instagram, etc. They literally need it ALL DAY

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liz says September 1, 2015

I know I’m rambling. And I’m not blaming his brother. Because even if he’s behind this my ex was stupid enough to think it would work.

But I’ve literally seen his brother in action telling other women he’s happier with a particular woman etc on multiple occasions. I just never saw any red flags in my ex until this point.

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liz says September 1, 2015

The reason I brought up the not being abusive or angry etc is I’ve read they become abusive when you ignore them or don’t give into their demands. And he’s never blamed me for the cheating or said its my fault which I’ve also read is characteristic

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liz says September 1, 2015

Thanks Kim. I guess the reason for my confusion is I’ve never seen him be like this in the two years we’ve been together.

None of our mutual friends have said hey I saw him with this girl or that girl.

Whereas everyone knows his brother for having such a reputation. And it struck me as odd that his brother who typically plays these games with women contacted me

Oh yeah my ex whatsapped me last night saying “looking lovely” I deleted the message without opening it and ignored it.

I guess I’m just looking for clarification that maybe his brother could’ve convinced him that this will work. Or are they both just one in the same

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    Kim Saeed says September 1, 2015

    Liz, narcissism does run in families (generally because a parent is narcissistic and children learn the behaviors, and adapt to their dysfunctional family dynamic by becoming narcissistic themselves – others end up becoming codependent).

    I can only speculate here, but it could very well be that this guy kept it hidden from you, especially that your relationship was long-distance.

    My Ex and both of his siblings are highly narcissistic, just to give you an example.

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Jen says September 1, 2015

Hi Kim. I apologize in advance for the length but I really need to vent and hear from an unbiased outsider that I’m not crazy. Here goes, I was officially dating a guy from August 2014 to Feb 2015. He made me so comfortable with everything that it felt like we were soulmates after 1 week…constant texts that sounded like they were taken from Hallmark cards, compliments, phone calls, etc. I was always told I was the only one for him and all he wanted for his future. However, he was weird on social media…never posted pictures of us on instagram and facebook, saying his parents are strict Albanian and hate American girls. It was around two months after we began dating that I found a secret twitter account where he was proclaiming singledom and flirting with a girl that he dated right before me but supposedly ended it in July. I called him out…he begged for forgiveness and promised to stop. In the time before he “broke up” with me between October and february, he was so jealous and insecure. Constantly accusing me of cheating and flirting with guys. He would always find reasons to ignore me for a few days and then come back a few days later like nothing ever happened. As time passed, he became increasingly insecure and possessive and really verbally abusive…making fun of my body, my mothering skills, my job as a dental hygienist, my friends, etc. Anything be could say to hurt me, when he was feeling hurt. He was cut throat. Hands down meanest person I’ve ever met at times. But he would always act like nothing happened a bit after. He couldn’t figure out why I was upset by it. I was accused of the craziest most outlandish things and I was always wondering where he came up with such silly things. Fast forward to our breakup in February. He broke up with me for some dumb reason that honestly I can’t even remember. However, continued to act like we were really together. Calling me his girl, saying we need to fix us, starting verbal arguments with followers on instagram who merely liked one of my photos. Any of my guy friends I was accused of sleeping with and I was made to unfriend a lot of them on social media and in real life. At first I was like ok, he’s insecure. But then it got bad. My dad fell ill last may and in april of this year we found out he had six weeks to live. My ex was never there, disappearing every weekend (since March) after initiating a fight and came back around every Monday like everything was fine. At this point I was angry so I didn’t want to talk but after a few days Id calm down and agree to talk and it would be close to the weekend and time to fight and disappear. When he wanted to talk, i didnt. When i finally agreed, he was hostile and ready to fight. Every damn weekend. I just thought he was being stubborn. He came back everytime telling me how I’m his soulmate and he can’t live without me, sending me memes, emails begging me to work it out and sent flowers on my birthday in march. He begged me to bring my daughter to the beach with us, etc. I was with my dad all the time from March thru may when he passed so my exs disappearances were less in my mind bc of what I had going on with my dad. Well, my dad died in May and he begged to come to services, wrote me a long email saying how wrong he is and how great I am and how he can’t live without me, again, a monday after disappearing a day after my dad died, for the weekend. I didn’t let him come to services and our correspondences became less and less but every week he begged to see me. Sometimes calling legitimately 40-70 times in one sitting when I refused to answer. He never gave up. I was so vulnerable and sad. I started thinking that he wouldnt be sticking around if he didnt care. Twice I gave in and let him see me, once in April and once in May and he spent the night and things happened, as you can imagine. Both times he had some weird excuse to leave early…I have to go home and feed the dog, and the second time I went to the gym while he stayed in my bed and he called me saying he found a condom wrapper under my bed, which I assume he planted for an excuse to get pissed and leave (bc he left after “finding” it) or to try to get me to admit to something I didnt do. It was his. Same lot number, exp. Date, subtype, all that. He denies to this day that he put it there. It always seemed like a game…when I was resistant and didn’t want to talk, I was his soulmate…the minute I gave in and agreed to talk with a fresh start, and the fresh start was his idea, he would immediately go back to being angry, get really mean tell me that he wants to talk about past issues and who were these guys that we’ve talked about for months and how I’m a liar and a whore bc I won’t tell him the truth about them, which I did a million times everyday for three months, while we werenot official, but he still acted like we were. He woulsnt believe me unless i admitted im a whore and alept with all of them. Which i never did so he never dropped it. He stalked my social media. I was questioning him about his disappearances and he always had an excuse as to what he did that weekend and said “our relationship is so bad, why would I possibly want one with someone else?” And “why would I waste my time talkin to you through all this garbage and fighting if I had someone else?” Youre the only girl since August, you’ve always been the only one. etc. so I believed him and just thought he would eventually stop being a stubborn jerk. Fast forward to two weeks ago. I did some snooping and found out he was carrying on an emotional, online affair with a girl halfway across the country for SIX MONTHS. She showed me pictures and screenshots of pictures and videos of him that he sent to her from October thru april. They have dates on them…physical proof. Holy crap, how did i miss this???? So…I sent them to him. He denies them up and down and tried saying they are from last spring bc that’s when he talked to her, way before me. I laughed so hard bc I have the proof in my hands that it was when we were together. I was wondering how he could continue to try to insult my intelligence. I decided to let him go for good. Of course he didn’t let that happen. Every few days he sent texts saying how he wants a fresh start and he loves my daughter and I and he can’t stop thinking about me. Just last Monday he sent me song lyrics to the song stay by Florida georgia line and he’s never listened to country music a day in his life. I was like hmm that’s weird. The lyrics basically say what can I do to get you to come back to me bc I can’t live without you. I didn’t respond but did more snooping on facebook and found a girl corresponding with him and I only found her bc her profile picture has him in it. So I look further and they have pictures back to december. Eight friggin months. How did I miss that???? There were THREE of us between october and may. How did he even balance that? Welp, that explains where he’s been every weekend. I was literally sick. I sent him screenshots and he didn’t respond. One of my friends wrote to the girl to tell her and I sent her some screenshots…she was so rude and said “stop sending me shit, it’s my birthday,” “I know he’s not cheating on me we are happy, weve been together every weekend and he told me you are crazy and miserable and jealous so move along.” I showed her physical proof of texts and pictures that he sent me in the last seven months and she didn’t believe me. A song by Florida georgia line which happens to be her favorite group, after seeing her facebook page and he’s never listened to country a day in his life, before her. I even told her certain dates to ask him where he was for the night because he wasn’t with her, he was with me and showed proof and she Con tinued to deny he was cheating and they are really happy together. Next day he was nasty to me saying I’m jealous that he doesn’t want me and that’s why I wrote to her and that I can Continue to watch him love her from afar…when three days before he was confessing undying love for me. He then said he blocked me. No apologies, no nothing. Just meanness for getting
caught. He’s all over her social media in pictures and statuses, it’s like she lost her own identity to him. She even put his initials on her instagram headline with little hearts. Gag me. The funny thing is, he has no pictures with her anywhere in his profile or on his instagram. No mention of her except where she’s tagged him at the movies or something. I guess he has NPD…that’s my guess but I always doubt myself and blame myself for not being as available when my dad was dying, but in full reality i was always available. I get sad bc I feel like he will be better to the next one. Like he will actually love her and be honest from now on bc he was caught and wants to salvage it. I’m so sad with this one and I don’t know why. It’s like he has me hooked and we’ve been broken up for six months. It’s like he never let me move on. I just want to know he does have NPD and that this girl has not hit the lotto like she thinks and that he will do the same to her. I need it for peace of mind. I know I shouldn’t care but I can’t help it.

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    Jen says September 1, 2015

    I forgot to mention that he is a pathological liar and I caught him in soooo many lies and when confronted he had an immediate answer and excuse without even flinching.

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      Jen says September 1, 2015

      Also when my dad was really sick and he got mad at me or jealous over something I didnt do, he would make comments about my dad dying…for example he once said “I’m glad your dad is dying.” Or “if you’re cheating on me, that puts the nail in the coffin. Better yet, the nail in your dad’s coffin”and a laughing emoji with a skull. I just thought it was a temper tantrum. He’s sick and twisted.

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liz says August 31, 2015

Mine is very complicated and therefore I’m very confused. It was an overseas long distance relationship but we has mutual friends. And when we met we clicked. We spoke all the time for long periods. He seemed like “the one”. Two months later he came here. Met my mom and some of my friends. All of last year was great. Both of us went back and forth. Met his family and friends and vice versa. The plan was to get married. I went there in March. Met his son. Everything seemed normal.

Fast forward to May. A female contacts me with photos of them. Two their kissing. I confront him. Ask if he wants to be with her. He swears it’s a mistake and he loves me. She watches his son from time to time and things got out of hand but he truly loves me and wants us to work. The weeks following this he’s totally accountable and remorseful, future oriented etc. I was still a little distant but making the effort.
A few weeks later I call his phone and SHE answers. She goes on to say they’ve never stopped dealing. And that his son is there asleep. I’m livid. We speak a few times that week but I see he’s being distant. I tell him I need a break. He still calls and whatsapps me. I ignore them. I tell him I’m ready to talk a week later and he ignores my calls. He has never been like this with me ever. I’m extremely depressed.
We have sporadic WhatsApp conversations. Nothing substantial. This is going on for 6weeks. So one day he calls and apologizes. And says he’s been an ass. And he’s coming to the states. If I’d be willing to see him. He’ll explain everything. The understanding is that he’d be staying with his family in a neighboring state (sidebar he has a brother who is married but is still quite the ladies man. In doing research I think his brother is NPD because I’ve seen him in action with multiple females. Using other people to contact women to lie on his behalf. I’ve never seen my guy operate in that manner or have any of our mutual friends see that they’ve seen him behaving suspiciously)
Any who a couple weeks later I bombard him like why is this “explanation” taking so long he says I’ve screwed up. Its complicated. And claims to love us both. I tell him there is nothing further to discuss. If u love her I’ll leave u alone. He asks me why? I then ask if I should send his clothes and shoes that are at my house to his brother. He doesn’t answer

Two days later I get missed call from him. I WhatsApp him. He says he was saying hi. I told him we have nothing to discuss. If u love her be with her. And stop contacting me because of your conscience. He says that’s not the reason. The next day he asks me a question about coming Here I answer and ask no details about it. Not when he’s coming or anything. Two days later I have 6 missed calls. He’s asking me to help him find a hotel.

At that point I make it clear. You’re not going to use me. Ask one of your brothers etc. Why are u asking me. And I make it abundantly clear I have nothing to say. If she’s out the picture. Eventually maybe we can work on fixing things. But as of now I’m done.

Later that day he messages me he’s stranded at the airport in my city and please he needs help finding a hotel. There would be no reason for him to fly into my city other than to see me. I told him flat out ask your girlfriend to help u. He responded thanks and that’s the last I heard from him. A week and a half later his brother who I think is NPD texts me ” just to say hi” which he never did when his brother and I were together.

Everyone is surprised whose been around.us because they don’t he ever loved me

My question is was my boyfriend an NPD the whole time and fooled everyone. Or is he being desperately misled by his NPD brother on “how to get me back”,

My ex has never been abusive or blamed me for any of this. In fact when I tried to apologize for cursing and behaving like a lunatic (rightfully so) he stopped me and he apologized

Im just totally confused

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    Kim Saeed says September 1, 2015

    Hi Liz, I can’t diagnose anyone as having NPD as that would require a clinical assessment, but what I can offer is that what he did to you is the same game played out by narcissists all over the world. The whole “I messed up”, “I love you both”, “I’m sorry and want to work it out”. Point blank, he is manipulating you. He wants to have the best of both worlds, having two women he can toggle back and forth between as he fancies. He’s claiming “it’s complicated”, but really, it’s not. He is hoping that by future-faking and keeping you hopeful that things will eventually work out that you will tolerate his cheating habits – only for you to discover one day that he never intends to stop cheating. The best course of action would be to completely block this lying cheat-bag and start the task of moving forward with your life. (By the way, his “remaining calm” and “apologizing” while you have a melt-down is all part of the scam. He seems so sauve about it because he does it to women ALL THE TIME).

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      Jen says September 1, 2015

      Oh my gosh, my ex narc used to be so nasty and mean til I would cry. Then he would get more mean. Until the times I would reach my breaking point and freak out over being accused of the same thing over and over and over and I would scream line a banshee (and that is not me) and all of a sudden he was calm and apologetic and offering solutions to start fresh and he’s so sorry. But ir went back to crap thr next day. It makes sense now.

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Veronykah says August 31, 2015

Mine broke up with me for the last time and I finally didn’t care. He left me alone for about 3 months then thought he’d waltz back in with sweet emails and letters and all the love bombing.
Little did he know it was all about NO CONTACT for me.
Has been for the past 7 months, he still tries to speak to me. I still give him nothing.

Wonder how it feels to have the tables turned.

BYE!

It feels SO good and gets so much easier to get rid of them when you stay away! You can all do it!

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    Kim Saeed says August 31, 2015

    Thank you for sharing your success story, Veronykah! I just love it 🙂

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    Laura says August 31, 2015

    I was trying hard to stop contact with him. I knew I had to do it. The abuse had been too much and now there was no way I was going to meet him again or fly to him so there was even less point in talking to him, what for? I was trying to be strong and finally see that this couldn’t keep going and I did know so well that it had to be who stopped this, that at least that would make me feel proud, that at least I would have the last word after all the abuse he carried out. But somehow, out of the blue we were sending messages on whatsapp last week and he blocked me. This is so bad for me, for my self esteem….knowing the way he has behaved all along and now to think and remember that it was him with the last word and the one taking me out of the way. This really makes things for me much worse.

    I have desperately contacted him asking him for at least an explanation telling him that I deserve at least to know why he did it and if this is over. No replies at all and it hurts like hell, first because he was the one getting rid of me and second because by him doing this I can see even more how little I meant to him all along.

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      Veronykah says September 1, 2015

      Stop contacting him, believe me he will be back. In my experience, they ALWAYS come back.
      Why did he stop contacting you? Because he’s a narcissist. He probably has someone else and when she doesn’t want to deal with him anymore he’ll call you again.
      Mine broke up with me but in the end it’s ME who decided it’s over. He’s been trying every possible avenue to get me to respond to him for MONTHS. I refuse each time.
      Yours will come back and you can have the last word by blocking him. Don’t respond, don’t get into a conversation. There is nothing to be said. He’s an abuser, you don’t deserve to be treated that way and you CAN move on.
      The longer you aren’t in contact with him the better you will feel, believe me.
      Decide to start today, whether or not he is in the picture.
      It’s about YOU not him.

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      Laura says September 1, 2015

      To Veronykah,

      That is what I was just going to ask, whether they come back. I don’t really know why he blocked me this time. My last sentence to him was “you may never meet me because I interfere with your social network but I will not meet you because I don’t meet beaters”. Then he blocked me. It has always been the case that he has had other women anyway. Well, last time back in July after he blocked me I was after him, the same as now, sending emails and sms. After trying a few times he told me:

      “Give me a consistent impression!
      Consistently positive!
      Not like a mentally unstable nutcase!”

      Well, after following him he unblocked me and we got back to talking, however, now he hasn’t replied to a single email or sms. This time unlike the others he didn’t even warn me that he was going to block me. And this time I threatened him with contacting his gf because I saw her phone number when I was with him displayed on his home phone when she called. He was in the bathroom (pity because there were some digits missing as the number was too long and I actually don’t have the full number) but I think it is impossible this time he comes back. I think this time he is really pissed off.

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        Jen says September 1, 2015

        It’s a game. He loves the chase and to know you’ll fall all over him. He comes around when he’s feeling empty and in need of an ego boost. No offense but that’s all we are to narcissists. An ego boost. They don’t care about us in a sense that a normal person does. No empathy or love. Ignore him
        . .you win. All he wants is attention and it doesn’t matter where it comes from. He needs it to feel like a man bc he doesn’t even like himself. They want attention. Positive aND negative. Sadly it’s all the same to them. Do t give the attention. Bc any communication is engaging in what he wants

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      Veronykah says September 1, 2015

      You’re still playing the game with him.
      He’ll be back. At least in my experience, mine ALWAYS comes back. I haven’t spoken to him in 7 months and he’s still bothering me.
      My advice is to stop wondering, thinking, guessing, assuming, whatever about him, his brother, his other women or whatever.
      It doesn’t matter,
      He has shown himself to not only be a liar but a cheater and an abuser (yes, the silent treatment is abuse).

      Stay away from him. He won’t change, this isn’t due to any “circumstances” in his life. He’s a bad person. Period.
      You will not get closure or anything resembling that from him.
      If you want to stay locked in chaos and drama with him being great then ignoring you, that is what you are in for.
      They don’t change. Normal people don’t just block and ignore you for making them angry.

      You’ve said he’s an abuser, stay away. Trust me.

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      To Jen,

      I don’t know anymore because he did block me a week ago and still blocked and I think it will be for good.

      If he really liked the game he would be available for me to contact him in order for him to be able to play. How can he play if he has me blocked?
      I do agree, that he may want the attention, but how can he get the attention if I am blocked on Skype and whatsapp. Ok, as I said before I have been sending him sms and emails asking him to at least tell me why he has blocked me and that if he doesn’t want it fine but that at the very least he tells me in my face. He hasn’t replied to anything at all.

      How can anyone want to play if they block the person the play with? That is what I don’t understand. If I wanted to use someone I wouldn’t block them

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        They don’t think normal like we do. He probably blocked you bc you called him out on something or bruised his ego. Either way, chances are he has someone now to give him the ego boost that you used to. Remember this, a narcissist can never be alone. They are too damaged and their self esteem is too low. So if the attention isn’t comING from you, it’s coming from someone. You’re blocked now but you won’t be forever. Once this source of supply is burning to him or she figures him out, you will be unblocked and he will be back. It may be months…but he will be. My narc just blocked me last week from contacting him after confessing his undying love to me bc I exposedid him to the girl he has been seeing behind my back. He’s mad at me and blames me for trying to ruin his life by telling her, even tho he’s the one who cheated for seven months. I sent screenshots and physical proof and she still stayed with him, called me crazy, etc. Man has he got her brainwashed. Trust me, everything through narc does is a game. For a thrill. Bc they need attention like they need air. And they get bored too easily so they constantly need a thrill

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        Also, the blocking you is part of the silent treatment which is the biggest indicator if a narcissist. Especially if it’s for no reason. We don’t go around blocking people if they’re not abusing or harassing us. This is a form of punishment for them. They love bomb you and get you dependent on them only to rip the rug out from under you and ignore you to “punish” you by withholding their attention that they know you want. If he blocked you, you said or did something to bruise his fragile ego…but he will be back.

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      Yes, Jen, I know about them wanting attention and supply. Thing is, this guy has always had girls around, his gf and others he sleeps with, even while talking to me.

      When we were last on whatsapp (1 week ago) he told me meeting me was out of question because I interfere with his social network so I told him that he many not meet me because of that but that I won’t meet a beater (as he told me in his house that next time he would have to beat me in order for me to understand something he was saying). Just when I said that he blocked me without warning (other times he has warned me when he was blocking me).

      I also told him that I was going to contact his gf and tell her everything so I think that is probably the very reason he will never unblock me again. When I was in his house she called his home phone and I saw the number on the screen. I tried to memorise it but there were some digits missing so I wish I had the number and I could contact her (I would do it) but I can’t.

      Other times he has blocked me and then after me being after him he unblocked me but I do have the feeling this time it has gone too far because I threatened him with contacting the gf. Even before when I sent an sms he replied. Now, complete silence. The times he blocked me before it was just for a week maximum.

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        He blocked you because you threatened to tell his girlfriend. He doesnt want to be exposed and lose that supply. My narc blocked me for the same reason. Exact same. Only I did tell her and she doesn’t believe me. I sent screenshots of texts. Dont contact her. Chances are she’s with a narc, she has low self esteem and has been brainwashed too. Also, you insulted him by calling him a beater…you shattered his ego. Of course he’s gonna run from you. You stopped praising him and have forced him to see his true self. And he doesn’t like himself. All his validation comes from outside. You don’t validate how amazing he is so he has no use for you now. Just like mine. Do yourself a favor and be thankful he’s gone. Look how tormented he has made you feel. But he will be back. They don’t have self control and the old urges will come back when he’s lonely or bored. They aren’t like us…they don’t care where supply comes from and if he’s alone someday, he knows you’ll come running back. So he will come tact you. In his eyes, anyone will run back to him bc he’s awesome and such a great catch. That’s what they convince themselves to hide how much they hate themselves

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        He keeps you on his contacts bc he Will be back and he’s fully aware of it. Don’t you see the pattern here? All females aredesperately trying to figure out why their narc did what they did. Or why theyre being ignored. We are all tormented. And keep asking repetitive questions. People in healthy relationships dont do this. It’s part of the game they play. And tell tale sign he’s a narc and you’re being victimized. Don’t be jealous of theach gf. Look how much she’s being played

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        Honey, look how you’re obssessing. You’re torturing yourself. I know bc I did the same. You will never figure him out. Know you’re better off without him. It’s so hard bc they get their hooks in us and we have to be damaged emotionally ourselves or else we wouldn’t care bc we would see how terrible they are. Especially if he was cheating with you on his gf. Slimey

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      I know on Skype you have two options, either blocking or removing person from your contacts or else both. I know he has blocked me but I don’t think he has removed me from his contacts. I wonder why too because he could actually do both, block and remove. If he had removed me from his contacts I would see his profile with an interrogation mark saying that that person hasn’t shared details with me but that is not the case. I wonder why he keeps me in his contact list even if I am blocked.

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        You need to stop worrying about why he does what he does. He’s a narcissist and you will never figure him out bc you don’t think the same. You have morals and values and he does not…moreso your values are very different. He’s a cheater and a liar and he will not change. He’s self admitted he’s a bad person. You need to forget him

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      Actually, he blocked me before I threatened him to contact his gf. He blocked me the minute I said that if he won’t meet me because I interfere with his social network that then I won’t meet him because I don’t meet beaters. That is the minute he blocked me. Then, in anger I told him I would contact his gf (although I can’t because I don’t have the full number).

      Yes, that is what I always felt that he needs to be in contact with people constantly. Either he is on whatsapp or on Skype with one or another. He is impulsive, impatient, and needs excitement.

      I don’t really know but this time I think it has really gone very far.

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        My ex narc was in communication with soooo many females. He was dating three of us at once physically and tons of girls be was texting flirtatiously. So many. Im not sure how be balanced it all. Thats skill! Social media he flaunted himself bc he’s good looking. He depended on those likes from women and got off on the fact that it infuriated me. He can’t be alone with himself bc as much as he portrays how awesome he is, deep down he knows he’s not. Normal.people don’t need constant contact with people. We like alone time. If a narcissist blocks you, he’s definitely not alone

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        Why don’t you sit down and write a list about what exactly you’re jealous of and why you think being with him is a good thing. He’s a liar, a cheater and runs from problems. Hes bad to the core and he cant help it. Its who he is at this point. If you think he will treat you any different then you’re mistaken. He doesn’t know how to be different. Please find a man who loves and respects you. He will do this to every girl for a long time. And you don’t want to deal with this garbage. It’s stress, drama and making you too upset. Your days should not be like this

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      Well, I am jealous of the gf big time because the 3 times I met him (we live in different countries) he only offered me 36 hours and even complaining it was too much. I had to fly there Friday evening and return on Sunday. Even on Sunday there was a late flight in the evening and he made me catch an earlier one. All this is because the gf will be looking for him and if he is not around for too long she gets annoyed and suspicious. She lives in another continent and I know he went to see her twice and she went to him once. Of course, they were together each time for about 1 or 2 weeks so I get mad at the fact he spends time with her while he offers me 24 hours.

      Of course, he is cheating on her non stop. Actually, he flew to her in December and 3 weeks later he was flying to a stranger to have sex with her. In March the gf visited him and only in April he was meeting me.

      He has been with her since last October (in the distance) and she wants to get married and go and live with him in his country. He keeps saying he doesn’t want to get married and that they have different expectations. Every time he talks about the relationship is so negative. That they fight all the time, that they break up, that they have different expectations, that there is disrespect, that he doesn’t want to get married for the sick reason of a visa and that is too simple minded and too stupid to get a job and visa. And I always asked him: why do you stay with her then? if everything is so bad? He says she can be nice. I really don’t know what his intentions with her are. One day I asked him if he is getting married and he said he was thinking of having got married in October but I think that is out now. Another day he said they are frustrated and that one day it will break. I have no clue what is true and what is not but if it is that bad or quite bad why is he there with her? why is he careful she doesn’t catch him cheating? why does he go to visit her and spends 2 weeks with her?

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        He chooses her bc you see through him and you know he’s not God now. She probably has no clue. She offers him more validation and N supply so she’s worth more in his eyes. You call him out and make him see reality. She does not. It’s exactly why my narc blocked me

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      Yes, you are right, I wouldn’t want to be the gf and be cheated on but there must be a difference if he is so attentive with her and so careful that she doesn’t find out when he doesn’t do that with me.

      In fact once he told me he doesn’t want her to find out because he doesn’t want to hurt her. I said: oh,so then you love her? and he said: well that is what I tell her and I tell myself. He said he can do the same if she is in another continent but that he doesn’t want to know because it would hurt him. And I asked why it would hurt him? he said: just sentimental, or pure greed,wanting to possess. Thing is he spends time with her to meet her for long periods of time and he hides his cheating but with me he comes to me and tells me how he drove 2 hours away to have sex with a woman or I was asking him where he was and he said he was with such and such having sex or that he had 2 blind dates.

      So why does he tell me in my face all the women he is with? while he hides it from her?

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        Narcso dont love anyone but themselves. He wants to keep her bc she doesn’t call him out on his bullshit but you do. Your value is less as supply for him, but not as a person to normal people. You force him to see his abusive and bad self and he hates that. He only tells you he loves her bc he wants to hurt you. My narc was so pissed when I told his gf he was confessing tact me and asking me to be with him. He said “you’re just jealous I don’t want you. You can watch me love her from a distance.” Ummmm if he loves this girl he woulsnt have cheated her with me and this other girl. Your narc is cheating on her with multiple people. Tell me what part of him doesn’t want to hurt her?

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        He tells you bc you already know he’s slimey. His chances of you thinking he’s a God are gone. You lost your value as supply. She probably treats him like a God like my narcs gf does, even tho she’s seen proof he cheated for seven months. My narc chose this girl over me. Bc she let’s him do what he wants. I called him out and forced him to see the cheater he really is

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      Ok, Yes, you ask me to write a list and see what it is exactly that I am jealous of and what it is good about being with him and yes, I can write that list and it is terrible but it is terrible looking at the way he treats ME. If I look at the way he treats the gf then it is not so terrible because I am sure I would want to be with him if he flew to me to spend 2 weeks with me and if he asked me to fly to him to spend another 2 weeks with me and if he was talking to me about future plans, about living together or about me moving to his country.

      The reason why it is bad is because of the way he treats ME in particular. But the big question is: how does he treat others? because obviously, he is more considerate, he dedicates much more time to them and even once I was talking to him on Skype and the gf called so he told me he had to quit the call with me. I then told him that that was really bad and he said I am not the most important person in his life. So obviously, he does many things with her (nice things) that he doesn’t do with me. He is even aware of the fact that if he tells her about the cheating she will be hurt. With me, he just comes and tells me on my face about all the women he sleeps with. How can this be explained? Why doesn’t he hide it from me too??

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        My narcs girl has set the standard. And its low. She showed him he can cheat on her when he wants and there will be no consequences…bc she’s seen proof he’s cheating and still thinks he’s perfect. So now he will do it more bc she made it ok. It’s quite funny to me. She even defends him with the screenshots I sent her with him asking to have sex with me

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      Well, if he really wanted to hurt her he would tell her that he is cheating on her. He does tell me that, who he sleeps with and I know he does it to hurt me so there is a difference: he doesn’t tell her but he does tell me.

      As he said, he doesn’t tell her because he doesn’t want to hurt her and that makes sense. Ok, obviously in my head it doesn’t fit the idea that if you love someone in the first place you wouldn’t be cheating on her, especially so constantly. The very fact he was with her in Dec and it took him only 3 weeks to fly to someone to have sex says it all. The fact, she visited him in March and the minute she went out of the door he was talking to me and actually bought an air ticket to meet me and he came over weeks after being with her but still there is a difference with her and me.

      And then, why does he tell me that he wants to get to know her but without having to get married, which makes sense anyway because people don’t get married just like that without knowing the person just for a visa. He says he wants to maybe live with her to get to know her. I wonder what will happen with them.

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      how do I even know that when he said he is hostile, impatient, insatiable, sex addict, online game addict, that those things are really true? sometimes you don’t know what is true and what isn’t anymore. Ok, I know for a fact he spends hours playing online games and that he is a sex addict too. When I was intimate with him I could feel the coldness, the robotic manner, nope there was no cuddling or anything…….at the start he told me to respect the broken man he is, that he doesn’t want happiness and that he is sad for a reason, that frustrated wives can have sex with him so that they don’t have to get divorced, that he just saves marriages now, that nothing can satisfy him and that the nice guy died years ago

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      Laura says September 2, 2015

      I just don’t want him to disappear like that, this will affect me badly I know. It is ok if he has me there in his contacts and I slowly disappear or stop contacting him till it dies but I can’t simply take that after being with him only 2 week ago he now goes like this. No good bye, no nothing, just clicking a button behind the screen. This hurts like hell and more. At least, to tell me it is over, at least to say he doesn’t want it, something…..

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      Veronykah says September 2, 2015

      Welcome to being with a narc Laura.
      Unfortunately you don’t get to decide how he “leaves” you or how HE ends it. Trying to get the ending or the closure you want is a waste of time. You will NEVER get it from him.

      YOU can decide how YOU end it though. You are in desperate panic mode right now, been there. It sucks. The sooner you realize you have ZERO control over him and his actions the better.
      Find something else to do, hang with your friends do SOMETHING besides wonder why he is doing what he’s doing.
      Do you want him to have this power over you? When you KNOW he has a girlfriend?
      Are you that person? Have the respect that he clearly doesn’t and leave him alone. Find someone who deserves you and will treat you with respect.

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        Jen says September 2, 2015

        Amen to that Veryonykha!!

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    Lulu says October 25, 2015

    For me it’s different and complicated,Am married for 29 years He works far from home, when I visited in found out he was cheating on me.He swore it was over . I discovered that the affair never ended, Am so hurt and have not confronted him .Am just silent trying to figure out how to approach the situation.He in turn is silent and shows no love at all. I don’t know what to do.

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Laura says August 31, 2015

Mine is a long story. We live in different countries. Out of 3 time we have met 2 of them I flew to him. Last time when I was leaving I asked if we would see each other again and he told me to knock it off. While I was with him this last time I touched him with a packet of paper tissues over his head. He got really angry telling me he is very sensitive to noise, asking me how I could do that, telling me that I had no empathy and that I was crazy and telling me that anyone would be annoyed by this. Then, I was trying to rationalize this with him, I told him I didn’t know this would bother him so much and basically, he said that the next time in order for me to understand he would have or would beat me. I couldn’t believer what I was hearing.

Anyway, the time came for me to leave and only 10 days later he was telling me on whatsapp that if was out of the question for him to see me again because I push him out of his comfort zone and that I interfere with his social network (that is considering he doesn’t allow me to meet for more than 36 hours and he was even saying that it would have to be 24 and this is considering we have to fly to another country. Well, he only flew once to me, the other 2, I flew to him). He was being so nasty on the messages, so cold, so cruel….I then told him that he was not meeting me because I interfere with his social network (of course, he sleeps with many women around and he has a gf) that then I will not fly to meet a beater and someone who talks about rape (as he did). Straight away he blocked me on whatsapp and Skype without warning (other times he blocked me in the past but he did say).

I don’t know what is wrong with me that I seem to be hooked to this. But the fact that he has got rid of me like this and I am wondering if this is also a form of silent treatment, has made me so anxious. I feel really bad. I was thinking of stopping the contact with him and ending this situation because there was no point but he did delete me and my immediate reaction has been to text him asking why he blocked me and that at least he could have said why. I told him that at least he could talk about it rather than disappearing like this. I have sent several messages (sms) and emails and he hasn’t replied to anything. I wonder many times if this is the end of it and I just feel terrible. After all the abuse he has carried out (verbal, emotional) and the last time he threatened me with physical abuse although I don’t know whether he would have carried it out or not, after all this, he is the one with the last word. I feel so so bad.

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    Kim Saeed says August 31, 2015

    Laura, these are all the classic signs of narcissistic behavior. I know it’s hard to not reach out, but if you can find a way to cease communications, you will feel better about yourself in the long run. If you can, go ahead and block him from being able to contact you and then start the work of healing yourself. Here’s a link to one of my Pinterest boards with some exercises that might help with anxiety, etc: https://www.pinterest.com/kimsaeed/c-ptsd-healing-stabilization-skills-and-getting-un/

    Also, guided meditations are a tremendous help during the first stages of No Contact. Wishing you all the best!

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      Laura says August 31, 2015

      He hasn’t replied to any of my messages. He is completely ignoring me and all I do is keep wondering whether he will contact me ever again or this is it.

      I keep asking myself: are these people like this with everyone? how can that be? he has a gf (in the distance as she lives in another continent) and despite the fact that he told me they are always fighting and that they break up all the time the thing is that he seems to continue with her. If he was with her the same he has been with me how could she be there still? plus I know he is always careful that she doesn’t catch him cheating on her (he constantly cheats on her with other women) and he only could see me for 36 hours because he didn’t want her to suspect about him when she called him if he wasn’t around. How can he care so much?

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        Kim Saeed says August 31, 2015

        Laura, as someone who’s on the outside looking in, he doesn’t care about her – it’s simply that she has proven to be a great source of narcissistic supply for him and that’s something he doesn’t want to lose. She is probably trauma-bonded and any codependent traits she started out with have been enhanced and ingrained. This 36-hour time limit was probably because he had not only you and her, but also other women to keep in queue. Yes, he is like that with everyone…

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      Laura says October 1, 2015

      Hi Kim,

      I just was wondering what you think of this comment. I asked him at the start if he loves her. He said “Well, yes…at least that is what I tell her and what I tell myself”.

      To me it sounded like he was trying hard to convince himself but I may be wrong. How does that come across to you?

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      Laura says October 1, 2015

      I really thought to post my story in full detail as I think the firs post was very brief and didn’t explain as well.

      Sorry, if this is long. I am still struggling badly with this.

      I met him over the internet and he is from another country (both of us in Europe though). We talked about travelling and I told him how I would like to visit the area he lives and he quickly told me to jump in a plane and visit him there, which I thought was weird at such an early stage. Anyway, we started talking on Skype and this was in February. He told me he had a long distance relationship (gf) with someone in another continent and that they had met twice only. He said they fight all the time and break up every day and that he hates make-up and that he fought with gf every day over her wearing make-up. I really thought this gf wasn’t serious and that perhaps he was making up he had a gf in order for me not to get too attached to him. All this sounded strange to me. He told me he was a sex addict and online game addict, that he is hostile, impatient, insatiable and he said he had met his “gf” last October. Over Xmas he was with her too and only in January he flew to another country to have sex with a woman. Then, the gf visited him in March and to cut the story short, he flew to me in April just for the 1 day. At the start, I didn’t give it much importance, as I didn’t really want anything serious with him. After he left he told me he was really happy he met me, that he was really happy I was the way I was and that he basically had a great time. Only the next day we talked on Skype and we agreed I would go over to his country to meet him in 6 weeks’ time. Thing is he only wants to spend 36 hours maximum with me because he says he has other things to do and to call his gf because otherwise she gets suspicious if he is missing for too long. This was unacceptable but as it was only the second time we met I thought not to give it much thought as I thought he perhaps wanted to know me slowly and not to spend too much time at the start. He seemed happy that he was going to see me again but weeks before I flew over he started to hang up on me on Skype whenever I said something he didn’t want to talk about. I asked him what he thought of me and he always answered that he doesn’t like me fishing for compliments. He started to give me time limits to talk on Skype, sometimes he would count down and then he would hang up on me. He would tell me I needed to structure my talk and talk about interesting things. One day he told me he gave me 4 minutes to talk and at minute 3.30 he hung up. Then he said that I didn’t know how to use the time he gave me and that if I wasted 4 minutes like that he wouldn’t give me more next time. It became all really nasty, basically.

      I had already bought my air ticket and anyway I was about to cancel it but I flew over. It was only for 36 hours that we met and the day I was leaving I asked him if we would see each other again. He said he didn’t know and then took me to the airport. I was there saying good bye and he was just there for 5 minutes and I wanted him to stay a bit longer till I left. He got really angry, he looked at my face in such a cold way and told me I was being very clingy and that it was over forever, that we would never talk again. I was so shocked so traumatized. Then he walked away and didn’t even look back.

      When I arrived he asked if I had arrived safely and we talked on Skype but he still said it was over. He told me that I spoilt things while I was there, that it was my fault. He said I made him run away, that how I could be so clingy at the airport, he said that I made him pay 3 Euros for parking at the airport when he wanted to go quickly. He constantly told me to change myself, he said how I could undermine his authority, whenever I asked when we could talk he says that he doesn’t know, not now, not today. He blocked me several times on whatsapp and Skype. He many times told me I am ignorant, a bad listener or that I have bad memory. When I ask questions that don’t suit him he tells me to change topic. He even said I had to make an appointment to talk to him.

      Then anyway, we got back talking and so many times when he is not available to talk he tells me that he wasn’t answering because he was having sex with such and such. Even a weekend after me visiting him he told me how he brought another woman to his house and he was doing with her the same things he did with me. Recently, I texted him one day and he said he was driving and that he was *f a girl in another country.

      And now, I visited him a third time in his country (and last time for me) because 36 hours is all he offers me and now he even says that it can’t be 2 nights but only one (and this is considering I fly from one country to another spending at least 400/500 Euros for 36 hours). I touched him with a packet of paper tissues on his head and he got really angry, he told me I have no empathy and that I am crazy, that that was really bad and that he is so sensitive to noise. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting plus I told him I didn’t know that about him so it is not like I did it on purpose. He said that the fact I didn’t do it on purpose was irrelevant and that anyone would get annoyed by something like that. I was trying to rationalise with him till he said that then in order for me to understand he would have to beat me. Hours later we went to the mountains and he was holding my hand and hugging me and looking at me as if there were feelings somehow.

      Whenever I ask if we will talk he says that maybe, no guarantee or that we will but that he could be wrong. He is always the one who makes the call. Whenever I call him he doesn’t answer. I said to him to call me sometime and he said “only when I want to!” I asked why I can never call him and he said that I can but then when I asked why he never answers when I call he says “because I didn’t want to”. And then he said “appreciate it, that I call you”

      Well, there are so many things he has told me that it is unreal and I don’t know what to think anymore.

      I always saw he is manipulative, etc but the “beating me” part, that really scared me. I saw another side of him I never thought I would.

      While I was there with him this last time there was a time when he grabbed me in a rough way, I told him he was hurting me and to stop but he didn’t. He had sex with me at that time and I didn’t feel well about it. I was thinking for myself that that felt a bit like being forced somehow. Coincidentally, the next morning he brought up (out of the blue) the topic of raping. My brother in law had called him months before to tell him that the way he was treating wasn’t right and this guy told me that morning (after grabbing me roughly the night before) that my brother in law had accused him of raping women. I was shocked because I know my brother in law never said this to him and what a coincidence! he brings that up after the previous night I sort of felt that way.

      Ok, then, one of these days he told me to watch the scene of Maleficient movie where Angelina Jolie’s wings are cutt off. He said: “mind, I didn’t cut your wings off”. I hadn’t watched the movie and didn’t have a clue what this was about and then I read on google that the movie actually is about abuse and that particular scene is a metaphor for rape. I have no clue what he is trying to tell me but he clearly said he didn’t cut off my wings.

      Then, 5 weeks ago we were sending some messages on whatsapp and he basically told me that he won’t meet me again, that it was out of the question because I push him out of his comfort zone and I interfere with his social network. I was so hurt at the cold way he was talking to me plus he had said something I didn’t understand and he told me I was illiterate, stupid and dead slow on the uptake. He also told me I am useless. At that moment I went and I told him that he might not meet again because I interfere with his whores but that I won’t meet him again because I don’t meet beaters. Straight away he blocked me on whatsapp and Skype and that is how it is now. He has blocked me in the past too and then he unblocked me, I suppose because I was after him. I have no clue what will happen anymore but I have the feeling I am blocked for good now although it is strange because although I am blocked on Skype he still has me on his contact list.

      I must add one thing that came into my mind now. At the start of our talks at the very beginning he once told me I was going to get addicted to him and at another point he told I was addicted to him but that I just didn’t know it yet.

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      Laura says October 9, 2015

      Hi Kim – I just was wondering if you could please send a private message to a lady called Ingrid, who wrote to me on the 6th of October here, asking her to please get in touch with me. I have posted something for her but she may not be reading my messages.

      Thanks

      I think it might help me to talk to her

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