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3 Myths About Narcissism That Need to Die

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Can I be blunt for a moment?  There are myths about narcissism floating around out there that could keep you stuck for years.  

Here’s why…

Much of the material on the internet about narcissistic behaviors is totally pointless.

It’s mostly rehashed information that’s often inaccurate, biased, and completely useless if you’re truly serious about moving on and healing from narcissistic abuse.  Here’s how I know:

Over the past ten years, I’ve personally recovered from narcissistic abuse, Stockholm syndrome, and C-PTSD.  I’ve performed hundreds of hours of research, bounced ideas off numerous healers and therapists, and worked with several hundred coaching clients from many backgrounds and religions.

I’ve learned firsthand what matters and what doesn’t when it comes to researching narcissistic behaviors and how they influence one’s recovery from this kind of abuse. 

And lots of the information out there just doesn’t matter. 

In particular, there are three myths about narcissism that really disturb me.  If you’re struggling to break free from a toxic relationship or to heal after leaving a narcissist, perhaps you’ve bought into one or more of these myths that, in the end, mean nothing in the big scheme of things.

3 Myths About Narcissism to Put to Rest

Myth #1 – It’s important to know what kind of narcissist you’re dealing with

Sure, it might help to know what kind of manipulator you’ve been involved with.  It’s useful to be able to validate your experiences and finally understand why your partner, friend, or family member behaves the way they do.  But, people tend to put far too much focus on “what kind of narcissist” these people might be.

Ultimately, knowing whether a person is overt or covert, somatic or cerebral, altruistic or malignant, etc., might satisfy one’s intellectual curiosity, but continuing to perform painstaking research into the subject and substantiating a person’s behaviors and traits to make sure they fit into a particular category is a waste of time. 

Why?  Narcissism is part of the Dark Triad, right next to psychopaths. You could be dealing with a narcissist who has antisocial traits, or you could be dealing with a narcissist who has psychopathic traits. This why is why it’s often difficult to determine exactly which category they fall into because they don’t only fall into one. When you put them all together, you have a very dangerous individual.

Further, knowing this information does nothing to erase the abuse or to change the outcome of the relationship. 

After a time, you are re-reading information you already know.  But more importantly, it keeps the obsession about the abuse alive in your subconscious mind and deepens the negative neural pathways that formed throughout your past with your abuser.  It’s a form of rumination, which makes it harder to develop new thought patterns that will empower and heal you. 

What you focus on the most is what influences your day-to-day reality.  This partly explains why people who’ve been out of an abusive relationship with a narcissist for years remain stuck in their pain, unable to move forward in any meaningful way…they have continued reading about narcissism far beyond what’s helpful.  In fact, obsessive research into narcissism actually feeds the trauma bond, making it difficult to heal and move forward.  

What matters instead:  In place of doing more research into the types and sub-types of narcissism, research ways you can implement healthy boundaries in your relationships and begin forming new, self-loving habits.  Believing you can find emotional fulfillment in another person is an illusion.  The only path to true happiness begins with learning to stop self-sabotaging behaviors, staying true to your values, and treating yourself like you would treat someone you care for.  

Myth #2 – It matters whether someone was born a narcissist or developed narcissistic traits as a young child due to environmental factors

The nature vs. nurture debate has been around for decades.  There is definitely scientific value in studying human behavior regarding innate personality traits versus those a person develops due to environmental factors.

It’s important to realize, however, that by the time an individual has matured into an adult, their personality traits have become a permanent part of who they are.  That’s not to say that a person cannot change and develop more empowering, healthy behaviors.  But, for that to happen, they must first become aware that their behaviors are dysfunctional to themselves and to others and then commit to doing something about it because they give a care.

A person who is trauma-bonded or has developed Stockholm syndrome has a good chance of developing healthier behaviors and thought patterns.  People with these conditions are more prone towards self-reflection and the desire to change their lives for the better.  They are more likely to visualize a better future for themselves and the people they love and study ways in which they can improve their lives and relationships.  The main reason for this is that the people narcissists zero in on typically possess high levels of empathy.  Narcissists do not.

Narcissists, in general, are stuck in a state of arrested development.  They are mostly about how they feel in the moment, which explains their erratic behaviors.  They generally don’t’ reflect on the future or ways they can improve themselves to be better partners or friends.  What they do reflect on is how they can better manipulate people in order to fulfill their selfish agendas.  Therefore, whether they were born a narcissist or developed narcissistic traits as a child is mostly irrelevant. 

What matters instead:  To determine whether a person was born with narcissistic traits or developed them as a young child, we’d need access to brain scans and life-long, scientific data that’s been gathered over a person’s lifetime.  Since these are generally not available to us, we are pressed to base our decisions on who the person is before us today.  The person they are today is someone who has been abusing and manipulating people for years. We must look at how the relationship is affecting us (and our children) and decide if it’s worth it to continue despite the psychological damage it’s doing to us, our children, and any other family members involved. 

The old paradigm of “toughing it out” or “staying together for the children’s sake” is no longer useful to us as individuals, families, or as a global community.  Part of the reason we have so many problems with depression, narcissism, codependency, and dysfunction is that the generations before us held these convictions, regardless of whether it was the right thing to do.  That’s not to say we should abandon people who truly need our help, but when it comes to relationships with narcissists, it’s crucial to be cognizant of the fact that these individuals will take your help, give none in return (unless it will benefit them), and destroy the lives of you and your children if you remain in the relationship. 

Is that a risk you’re willing to take?  And if so, why?  These are the questions that should be analyzed instead of how a person became narcissistic.

Myth #3 – It’s necessary to label someone a narcissist in order to take the next steps in your life

The search terms ‘Am I With a Narcissist’ are among the most popular in the area of narcissism.  It’s also one of the most common questions I am asked by clients and followers.  And with good reason, by the time one starts researching why a partner or other loved one is so cruel, they’ve experienced abuse and manipulation that has begun to affect their lives in a negative way.

Where one gets stuck, however, is believing it’s absolutely necessary to label someone a narcissist, which is only possible by having the person in question take a battery of psychological assessments.  Even then, if faced with the certainty that a partner or loved one is a narcissist, most people won’t leave the relationship right away, or even at all.  I can relate because I was involved with a narcissistic individual for over ten years.  Of course, I didn’t know about narcissism back then.  What I did recognize was that I tolerated:

  • Lying
  • Financial abuse
  • Broken promises
  • Verbal abuse
  • Sabotaging of my career
  • Isolation from my friends and family
  • Being told that I deserved every bad thing in my life
  • Being called a whore on the day of my grandmother’s funeral
  • Ironically, being called a whore the day my grandfather died, too
  • Developing depression due to feelings of helplessness

…and many other forms of abuse that we now know are carried out by individuals with narcissistic traits.

Like many other targets of emotional abuse, I researched all the possible reasons my ex behaved the way he did.  I tried to find ways I could reach his “wounded inner child” and dedicated myself to being submissive and forgiving.  I allowed him to do whatever he wanted and tolerated weekly silent treatments. 

In other words, I engaged in all the self-sabotaging, self-defeating behaviors which I’ve since learned are indicative of trauma bonding and Stockholm syndrome.  Therefore, it didn’t matter whether my ex was a narcissist or not. 

What matters instead:  It doesn’t matter whether we can label someone a narcissist.  What matters is why we stay in relationships with individuals who strive to destroy our self-esteem…who lie, cheat, smear our character to anyone who will listen, and pull the rug out from under our feet on a regular basis. 

We need to reflect on why we permit someone to trample our boundaries and break our deal-breakers, normalizing the abuse to the extent that when we explain our experiences to someone else, the words coming out of our mouths sound foreign to us because we can hardly believe we’ve tolerated such mistreatment. 

Ultimately, we need to recognize when we are falling prey to myths about narcissism.  If we find ourselves in relationships with abusers, liars, and cheaters, it’s not our job to change them.  Our job is to change the beliefs we have about ourselves and about life that have caused us to tolerate such a situation. 

Our job is to leave so we can heal our wounded belief systems, become the best version of ourselves, and live the lives we deserve. 

If this describes your relationship, you are dealing with a narcissistic individual, and you’ll need to get to a point where you decide whether you’re going to stay and get more of the same, or if you’re going to take the steps to take your power back and reclaim your life. 

Recovering from narcissistic abuse is hard, and it’s okay to admit you need help. If you’re ready to go deeper NOW, check out the #1 therapist-approved online program for narcissistic abuse recovery. Thousands of people have benefited from this program that’s practical, proven, and reliable.  It’s the best place to begin a journey toward renewed self-worth and an end to feeling worthless.


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Monica says October 26, 2023

Thanks.
These articles are superb and genuine. Must be helping many as it did for me

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Jeanne says April 21, 2023

The words in Myth #1 are so powerful—remaining stuck in the pain; unable to move forward, and thus, keeping the abuse alive—totally describe what I’m dealing with right now.

Rather than moving past this abuse, I continue to feel dragged back into the memory of the pain and dysfunction that took place in my life due to situations that have been created by my adult children. For them, it seems more important to keep the abuser in the forefront of our lives rather than focusing on getting past the abuse and trauma that he created.

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treasa hall says April 20, 2023

hi…Kim…im sorry i havent signed up yet…but amidst all of this my son has gone to prison in florida for dui…2nd offense and ive had to put all my energy into that…i cant believe im going through all of this at the same time…seems so unfair

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Zaliha says July 30, 2022

This is really helpful thank you

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Kathy Fiorillo says July 27, 2022

Everything it says about a narcissist is so true I was with one for 15 years at first they can be very charming and so much fun to be there after that it’s down here they’re cheaters liars all the above never goes away even after they leave it never goes away and you’re left with nothing lost your whole family haven’t seen in years if I knew what I know now I would have never gone with him and now I’m here all along with nothing not even one friend was it worth it NO!!!!!!

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GWOR6872 says July 22, 2022

Many of who grew up in the 1950s were seduced by those using the hockey analogy were taken in by their self serving elaborate both mental and physical “stick handling .”
Once they had recruited their own team they worked off each other in strength and support . But the leader was the leader .

Being in the school yard with these control artists one never turn one’s back or get a severe out of nowhere cuff in the side of the head . With many of us from families where after WW 2 unless parents having formal education it was just tough times as veterans were left without support and work required some level of education to advance .
As youngsters we always looked over our shoulders . Girls called us names and sissies and hope they found their life narcissistic mate from death to they fell apart in divorce .
Some grew out of it and others kept that chip of control and superiority over us .
I look back even today that many of the vocations chosen required a certain amount of toughness and even today if I ever return home getting more doubtful I would cross the street to avoid them .
After going through public and high school a bully is still a bully and for some reason they say they changed but that tread of control erases their disguise .
As a judge once said to me , “ just walk on by “ and I did because some feelings are never settled ending up on the bottom of the pile getting crap beat out of us as one or many it was not in our upbringing .And today I look back I guess one dances with the one they brung . And fortunately I learned by going away meeting people who wanted to advance and succeed . Maybe the others did too but that is life and living and we must decide our own direction that character in the end wins the day.

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Roger says July 22, 2022

Thank you, this information is very helpful.

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Carol says December 21, 2021

First of all so sorry Kim for what you had to hear and see. Love to you. After a year of meds research my head is more open and making sense because my mind is open and I don’t hide even if it hurts. When this is done you face up to reality. This massively helps you to see that certain people behave disgusting and it is not your fault. I would be a take in feel sorry for nasty people could not see the big picture but horrid people can b e complex. The good thing is boy do I see through selfish behaviour now and won’t fall for pity play anymore. I also know to take responsibility which I have and do even if it hurts. Good for you Kim and others. Have a lovely Christmas to you and all others.xxx

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carol says January 26, 2021

more likely to visualize a better future for themselves and the people they love and study ways in which they can improve their lives and relationships. This was is my husband and i we found that sons partner just took advantage and eventually painfully I woke up to this. Our daughter is still being treated badly but keeps trying hoping for a different result. Its up to her with the relationship with her brother I wont stand in her way but it hurts to see how her brother and partner are treating her. Golden child no I brought up both our children equal but can honestly say their personalities right from toddlers were different one shared freely the other did not but i tried to show examples to them. So difficult when our son moved in with two people who were greedy by then our son was an adult so we cant treat him like a baby he chooses his own destination we excepted that. We tried with his latest partner who admitted we had been very kind to her unlike her own family. What I still cannot understand is why after the said statement were we treated so badly is it a miss trust or a habit with these people who just like to conquer and divide after all the kindness shown to them.

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Zena Gardner says November 5, 2020

I keep flip flopping. Sometimes I think he’s a narc and then other times not. I’ve seen him cry. And yet I’ve seen him be utterly ruthless.

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Rekikwork says June 10, 2020

Thank you so much

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Fundakuye says April 2, 2020

Thank You Very Much Kim, I Have Finally Decided To Leave The Narcissist, And I Have Finally Taken A Decision To Take Her Out Of My Life, But Because We Have A Child Together, She Is Using That As Access To My Life Making Calls After Every 10 Minutes, And Those Calls Have Nothing To Do With The Child, She Is Telling Me She Miss Me, And Now She Can See How Important I Am In Her Life, But That’s What She Always Said When She Was Away From Me But When She Comes Back At First She Promises To Be Changed And Make Good Promises, But After A Short Time She Goes Back To Her Old Wicked Ways. Now I Want A Way How To Go No Contact With Her But Still Having A Full Access To My Daughter.

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Cathy says April 1, 2020

Kim, this article was so helpful! Thank you.

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Olivia says March 30, 2020

This is so helpful, thanks! I fell into the trap of trying to work out whether my mum is a narcissist or not. But as you say, in the end it doesn’t matter. She has most of the traits you describe and treats me badly, that’s how it is. If she’s a narcissist or psychopath or sociopath or has BPD is not important.
Funnily enough, many years ago she did have a psychometric test, I can’t remember why. The tester said they would be very wary of taking her on as an employee because certain traits showed she was a potential criminal. Ironic eh! She laughed at this assessment, she thought it was hilarious. But wouldn’t a normal person be mortified to be assessed as a potential criminal? I know I would…

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Steven says March 30, 2020

Wonderful advice again Kim.
After 20 yrs of mental anguish I have read Alot of articles about narc’s to help me understand why and what made my ex wife the way she is. Iam am now 7 months out and have stopped reading such things because I have came realise that it does not help. what the more important thing is to focus on your self after all that’s what I want is to be me again and do the things that I like and make me be me again. After every day combat with my ex she still insisted that “I don’t need to change and why should I” her exact words which I had heard on countless occasions. I had to go before I got deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole. OK I am suffering from. P. T. S. D and everything else that comes with it but I am learning to cope. Baby steps and self preservation. My message to all is. You will heal overtime and take care of you and yours. You are all warrior’s and there will be light at the end of the tunnel. Regard Steven. Ps Kim keep it up you are my rock x

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Elizabeth says March 30, 2020

For years(35)I was in a “relationship” with a narcissistic partner. I first heard the term from my daughter and son(20 & 15)they learned about this in school. I was shocked when I began to research the term because it described my spouse perfectly!. Its so important to learn about it and then find ways to battle that person, because that is what it feels like, a battle. It took me four years to leave in 2019 and this website is what saved me and put me on the road to recovery in 2020. Thank you forever.

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Jewlz says May 17, 2019

I love that you said this:

normalizing the abuse to the extent that when we explain our experiences to someone else, the words coming out of our mouths sound foreign to us because we can hardly believe we’ve tolerated such mistreatment.

I will never forget the day this happened to me and you put words to it when I was in a stupor. Thank you!

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Carebear says May 13, 2019

Does anyone have trichotillomania as a result of covert emotional abuse? I pull my hair out. It was worse with him….I need healing!!!

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    Trish says November 21, 2019

    I thought I was the only one. I only started less than a year ago. It’s awful! I can’t believe this is what calms me. I’m embarrassed. As well as I have been ashamed of myself for the hair and for allowing myself to be with such an evil person for so long knowing that I needed to leave after the first two months. Nearly 4 years later and I am fresh out. Because he broke up with me. I feel so pathetic. ? Thank you for being so brave to ask about Trichotillomania. This is my favorite public remark ever about my narc relationship.

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Nina Taylor says April 17, 2019

Spot on! Take your focus off the narcissist and put it on yourself, where it belongs! You can only change your own behavior, so learn why it is you tolerated such abusive behaviors and you will change the way you see yourself and never attract another narcissist again.

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Rosie says April 16, 2019

I agree 100% that people spend way too much time watching videos about narcissists/ narcissist abuse. I speak from experience, I spent two years binge watching those videos, and reading all the comments, which just reminded me of everything I myself went through. I have cut back to only a few channels, and rarely watch those videos. I have found I don’t spend nearly as much time thinking about the ex as I used to. After a while there is really nothing new to learn, it is what it is.

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    Carebear says May 13, 2019

    I’ll be glad when I get to “it is what it is”. Why do I feel the need to read over and over so it sinks in? It just won’t sink in….

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In Transformation says April 15, 2019

The comment from Pat on May 19, 2017 made the hairs on my neck stand up and I am surprised that no one made a comment on it. It was spoken like a true narcissist.
I suppose people did recognize it but chose not to respond to it which is exactly what that person wanted. I am also surviving and have good and bad days but in the end I expect to recover and shine.
That particular response stood out for me because I listened to that same recording for almost 40 years as well as throughout my childhood.
Now that I know what I am up against, which I discovered completely by accident and discovered AFTER I left the relationship and made many mistakes, I am able to wake up and fight my way through each day and am getting therapy which I now believe is an essential part of recovering.
I now see the world through different eyes and it makes me sad that this particular behavior is rampant today yet it’s hidden because for most of us there is a lot of shame involved because many of us are very intelligent and professionals and the times we choose to discuss it are as many responders have said not believed. I ask myself often how I could ever have allowed someone to treat me or my child that way. Yet we all did because we thought we could make it better and change things around.
Knowing that it would be impossible to change that person gives me the courage to change myself and respect myself make a new life for me.
I’m not even sure how or where I discovered the words narcissist or psychopath but by the grace of god I did and I came across your site which helped me maintain the courage to go and stay no contact. It is an ESSENTIAL part of recovery. It doesn’t matter to me what type of narcissist. It’s all the same game with as many twists as there are people. What matters is what we see and do to get out and stay out AND to avoid getting sucked in again by anyone else.
I may be over cautious at times with people but I need to be because I see just how easy it would be for me to fall into another trap.
That doesn’t mean I cannot love or trust because I am who and what I am and don’t need to change those very special qualities, I just need to use them at the right time and in the right circumstances and with the right people. And THAT is what I still need to learn.
I guess I just want to thank you for sharing your personal experiences as well as others and using your gift to spread a very important message that is desperately needed by many.
So thank you Kim for being so brave and intelligent and exposing something to terrible and shameful and giving so many the courage to heal themselves.
I wish you much health, happiness and prosperity in your endeavor.
Sincerely,
In Transformation

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Mike says April 15, 2019

How do I help my children deal with the narcissistic behaviour of my former spouse.

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    Karin says October 7, 2021

    Be there for them. Just be there. Support them. My mother was (is?) a narcissist, and my father was away most of the time. Work, being a volunteer for many things in the area we lived. (Now I think he was running away from home).
    He wasn’t there to support me. Brother and sister are the Golden Child & Flying Monkey. As was my father was the latter, of course. He was a good man, but not able to go against her.

    For me, 56 know, that would have been an enormous help. Someone who understood and believed the circumstances. Believed me. And it probably would have saved me a very long time therapy for years.

    Wish you all the strength.

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Xenia says April 15, 2019

Hi Kim! I would like to thank you for all the help that you have been giving to all of us.
It’s almost six months since I left my narc. He was a covert, somatic type… My previous ex narc was an overt, somatic type. I’ am jocking… My mom also, and my sister…
I am in no contact with all of them. When I realised this 6 months ago, it started like a journey. It was like an awaken from dead. It is hard and painfull. But I’ll manage. I have two childrens that need my best self.
Thanks again!

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Anonymous says April 15, 2019

24 years with a narc. 2 years free. Working Hard on Caring for Me. Not always Easy. Guilt for raising my Precious Son in this toxic environment. Baby Steps ?

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Emma Hensby says April 15, 2019

I went no contact about 7 months ago . I put up with him destroying my self esteem , me as a person for nearly nine years . Even free now I don’t know who I really am . Plz help

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    Kim Saeed says April 15, 2019

    Hi Emma,

    I know how you feel. I created a course to help people like you to rebuild their inner identity after narcissistic abuse. You can check it out here: https://courses.letmereach.com/p/beyond-no-contact

    Wishing you all the best. XoXo

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    Caron says April 15, 2019

    Emma, when you were a child you were carefree, dreamed, acted, and lived as though today was all there is while being certain you had an endless stream of todays. You didn’t know you could be hurt, or didn’t worry about it. This not knowing who you are just means you have the opportunity to create yourself anew, and the best way to do that is to remember the years when your life was your own and before safety was stolen from you. That’s the real you. That’s the base to use when creating yourself again.

    If this had happened to someone else, you would have compassion for them, so have compassion for yourself. But also have firmness for yourself. You can’t stay here in the doldrums. You deserve to have delicious, juicy slices of life wherever and whenever possible. You can have this even though nothing is or ever will be perfect.

    Your narc tried to steal everything you are, but he failed. You are alive, you are breathing, you can think, you can move your feet. He failed. And he’s gone. So now your life is your own and you can have the hope of being loved for real. The narc didn’t love you. He may have loved you (action) occasionally, but he did not love you (feeling.) They don’t feel love. But because you were with him for 9 years means your “fuel” (love) is very strong and potent indeed, and some good man is not going to know how he got so lucky to have you when you are ready.

    We know it was real for you. You were real. Who you were with him, even during the devaluations, is a clue to who you are. There is a little lost girl in you who isn’t convinced yet that she can’t save the narc. Find her and guide her into acceptance, and ask her to have hope for a future without abuse, with fun and love.

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Susan says April 15, 2019

I am 7 and. Half years out from a narcissistic husband.
I still feel a loss of him to the point that I can’t do life any more. I wonder how his life is and if he’s changed constantly.

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    Kim Saeed says April 15, 2019

    Hi Susan. If you believe he’s a narcissist, then no. They do not change due to the passage of time.

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    Carebear says May 13, 2019

    This is me too. Today. Everyday is different. Ups and downs. Restraining order and scared for my life. But still ruminate a lot. Trying to stop ? ✋

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Anonymous says April 14, 2019

I finished myth….#1 went to #2 thru… and scrolled down to comment……Thnx.. Kim….you will hear more from me

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Toine says April 14, 2019

Thank you so much for all your writing about this subject. It will help a lot of people, and also it helps me.

When I had to deal with a narcissist I didn’t know anything about it. I didn’t even heard about it before. For me it was a total surprise the first time I read about narcissism. At the same time I thought that this knowledge could help me out easily. I already went to psychologists and when I told them about my observations and my experience with it, it became clear by the psychologist that I totally going crazy and it can’t be possible that a narcissist was ruling the game.
So actually the people who were there to help, couldn’t and didn’t.

Then when I had the energy back together I went to my friends and they said all that I’m not a psychologist to diagnose others.
Instead of hearing about or believing anything I had to tell about narcissism they had left me before I realized what’s going on.

I didn’t get anything right inside my head if I hadn’t all the information about narcissism I could find. The more information I could find, the more I look into a positive future.

It’s very meaningful to me to understand exactly and everything I was going through. The big picture will be almost the same for everyone. As long as not every person is the same as anyone else, it is very hard to say in what way or how information is required to get the attention back on yourself, your own life and to feel love again.

After I get that knowledge of what’s happened to me and I have accepted life after the abuse. Of course! I don’t want the information anymore, i don’t need the information anymore. So, yes it is unnecessary to me now. But without I don’t know what’s happened to me than.

The true to me is that I subscribed to your newsletter. And so many newsletters more. But I did not unsubscribed afterwards. And the reason to get stuck in all the information is not about the information itself.
It is per person about how much accepting they have created to reach out to their own future. For many people there is no way to finally leave the past. They think they have left, but without leaving it.
A lot of people don’t even realize that anyone around the same narcissist is being abused in a way. If you keep people in your life who are still not sure about your experiences, you can not get out also. Yes it is difficult. You have to leave the past as it was. People you know have to change with you, elsewhere you have to leave them. I only have my parents from the past people I knew.

I’ve bought many books about narcissism and I am proud of it. It was my very own intuition to fight through narcissism in the way I was confronted with. It helps me everyday so much to enjoy life again when I see the books standing up there.
It was a time I wouldn’t want back again. But I also don’t want to forget. Because it gave me everything I want to live for.

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diane says December 7, 2018

you said IRONICALLY he called u a whore on ur grandfather’s funeral too. it wasnt ironic it was done purposely. Everything the narc does is done on purpose. there are no coincidences with them!!

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Pauline Wren says April 14, 2018

I agree totally! I have never liked labels. They too readily provide excuses for people not to move on and heal.

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MJ says April 13, 2018

Kim, thank you so much sharing this. It spoke to me so much. I was married for 42 plus years to a covert narcissist. At the time, I wasn’t aware of the terminology. All I knew was something wasn’t right with the relationship. I felt he was virtually suffocating me. I had tried talking with him a number of times with no success. He was so good at playing the blame game and putting up walls. He had a Jekyll and Hyde personality. As a last resort, I wrote him a letter asking him to come clean with the lying, manipulating, etc. and for both of us to get counseling. I hoped with all of my heart he would agree, but if he didn’t I was done. Twenty-four hours after I gave him the letter he chose to die by suicide. It gives a whole new meaning to the no contact concept. After his death, things came out which made healing really hard. It’s been three years. This was the first year the anniversary date has not weighed on me. Instead, I felt relief. I’m seeing a therapist and hope at sometime to be able to set good boundaries, trust again, and be vulnerable. Thanks for reminding me of the things which won’t help me.

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    Kim Saeed says April 16, 2018

    Hi MJ,

    I’m so sorry things turned out the way they did. I hope you know that his decision was HIS decision, not yours. You did the right thing by standing up for yourself. I know it hasn’t made things easier, though…but, I do hope you continue to heal and move forward into a life of happiness. You deserve it.

    Kim XoXo

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      MJ says April 17, 2018

      Kim, thank you for your kind words and encouragement. Some days are better than others. Slowly, I’m learning to walk this new path.

      MJ

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Anonymous says April 11, 2018

God Bless you Kim.

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Anonymous says April 11, 2018

Thank you so much for all your knowledge. I’m trying to forgive myself and go on with my life, however it’s been difficult. I’m grateful to have found this site and finally understand what I was dealing with and that I’m not alone. May God bless you…Thank you

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Suzi says April 10, 2018

The biggest surprise for me was finding out my female neighbor was a narcissist. I had my defenses up for male narcissist, but really wasn’t prepared for a female. But having survived male narcissists in the past, once I realized that she was one, it was easy to distance myself. … She even pulled the “we’re through” card. Boy! was she surprised when I went no contract instead of crawling back. Thanks for your blog and YouTube videos. xoxo from sunny Arizona.

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Dania says April 10, 2018

Kim- thank you so much for continuing to share all these helpful tools. As I read your writings I almost chuckle at myself, as you really pinpoint in your videos and blogs what I spent so much time doing and wondering. You have really helped me see what’s important and what isn’t. Your sharing has helped me find peace and set myself free. I no longer care to focus my time and energy wondering why my ex behaved the way he did or hopeful that he can change. I’ve been able to take back my power and focus on myself and share my time with those who honor my boundaries and treat me in a respectful way. Thanks again.

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    Kim Saeed says April 10, 2018

    Hi Dania, I’m so glad to know my article resonated with you and that it made you chuckle a little…honestly, many of the things I write about I engaged in myself. It’s definitely good to be able to look at these things with hindsight and recognize how far we’ve come.

    Thank you for your kind praise regarding my work. It truly touches my heart and makes my day.

    Kim XoXo

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Angela says April 10, 2018

I am one of the lucky ones…the day I met in person (from a dating site) the narcissist I spent off and on a year with….had a head up on me…He pegged me as an empath immediately and went in for the lovey kill..that day..it worked..I had never heard of an empath although I know now I am one..as everything I have read states , he did it all by the book..the first time I spent the night there..I ran in the morning while he was still sleeping..RED FLAGS…after we talked I let it all go…thinking the rough time , life I had I was afraid to get involved because it took me years to get over the death of my daughter and husband and I should give him a chance..Nope..Red flags are red flags….he loved, lied, was a phony, still married and separated for 20 years, was addicted to porn , never forced it on me…but he knew he couldn;t I am his age….and he would tell me it made him angry when I was more intelligent then him..LOL..give me a break…I gave him way too much .although he was good to me in many ways…having never met anyone like this ..I doubted myself off and on for a year..we would break off and then go back probably once a month…the last 2 months I had it with his BS and lies…promises..that never happened..In a year he was in my home once..I went to him all the time, he was a hoarder and OCD…..his past makes me sick…I’m writing this because I came across him on a dating site yesterday….his picture made me want to vomit and when I read his profile it gave me one more reason to continue NO CONTACT….lie, after lie, after lie…the same reasons I met him….so he will sucker his 20th woman …and that’s how it ends…at this point I don’t like to talk about him..and have no need to read anything more…I have no reason to call, or text …I have nothing to say to him….I do not believe one word he ever said to me…so anything written in here that came from him..let’s take with a grain of salt….it’s been hard to get here…I did miss who I thought he was…but knowing he isn’t and has a black soul, is a sick man with many issues….has made me run….stay away….and I am now happy and calm..I wish the same for everyone..

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    Laura says November 13, 2018

    Angela, your ex sounds like my current. He’s a hoarder as well, and homeless yet he keeps collecting more and more junk. He claims he’s hoarding because of my crimes and it helps get his mind off of the horrible things I’ve done. I’ve done nothing wrong, yet I’m blamed for everything. I’m always the one apologizing at the end of every argument just to make the lecturing stop! I’ve known him for 30 years, we’ve dated off and on for the last 5 years, and we were engaged in 2016. I moved back to my area just for him. When I moved back, it didn’t take long (about 4 months) for me to start seeing the rage inside him. He’s a loose cannon, and takes everything personal. If I disagreed with anything at all, I would pay! We always laughed together constantly, and since his true colors came out, we don’t laugh at all. I’m walking on eggshells, and he’s hyper alert to my “insults.” I NEVER insulted him, he just took everything that way. Anyway, thank you for sharing your story. I wish you the best!

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Jim says April 10, 2018

Dear Kim–It would be helpful to have a list of websites that you think are unhelpful or even useless? There are so many now–all zezoxing other sites and some obviously looking to make a buck (??). Could you have some kind of privaye list? Or indeed of troll sites? I suppose could this apply to me– am I indeed a troll, who is and who isnt ? it is a complex and over crowded area?
I only want good solid no bs stuff on this awful condition that has presented with so maun issyes (OCD thinking, feelings of shame, confusion and self guilt) and much more in the wake of a relationship (and almost marriage) with one of these cursed individuals—thank you –Jim

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    Kim Saeed says April 10, 2018

    Hi Jim!

    Thank you for stopping by and for commenting! Gosh, you’re right…there are TONS of sites out there now and not all of them are of good character. I can’t really name ones to stay away from because that would be bad PR (not to mention cause many people to come after me), but I do have a few I can recommend:

    1 – https://neuroinstincts.com

    2 – http://www.codependencynomore.com/

    3 – https://narcissisticbehavior.net/

    I like these three blogs (among several others) because a) the information and techniques are valid and well-researched, b) the author is writing from a healed and unbiased approach (meaning they don’t try to stuff their views down your throat), c) there is no “torches, pitchforks, and witch hunt” feel to these sites. Just clean, valid information that can be of real value on your path to recovery.

    Hope that helps!

    Kim

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Anonymous says February 27, 2018

Sad. I am dealing with a ex husband that is an alcholic, gambler and narcissist. It’s a nightmare for my son and I. He is high conflicted and wants his way with a drop of a hat. I have been through all of the stages plus more. I pray everyday my son will not go through the same abuse I have experienced. It’s sad that we are subjected to people like this. There should be rights for children and ex spouses going through this type of emotional abuse. This is the type of abuse that leaves scares and not marks for life.

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Ashley says February 10, 2018

Ugh!! The abuse I have accepted and tolerated over the past 4 years!!! All in the name of “submission” to a tyrant. He keeps me clinging to hope of a better future with empty promises and outright lies.
I’ve been forced to stay awake to fight, even tho I wanted to sleep…. He has threatened to kill me and my children if I didn’t step up and admit our problems were my fault….He has cut me off from my friends and family….i am not allowed to work or attend church…He degrades me often and I have trouble making small decisions for fear of what he might say/do….I have to get permission to go shopping or see a friend….I am told that I am a liar and most likely a cheater, even though we are together 24 hrs a day…He checks my phone/email/internet history to keep me honest….I have begged on my knees for forgiveness for dating outside my race 2 years before I met my spouse!!! And yet, I stay stuck because he is the only one with a bank account and he occasionally works to pay the bills.(For which I am supposed to be eternally grateful)
I want out for the sake of my sanity and my children’s. But how??? I feel like a prisoner.

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    Kim Saeed says February 11, 2018

    Have you tried visiting your local Domestic Violence center? That was a turning point for me.

    Best wishes XX

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Anonymous says December 25, 2017

Thank you for your information I was in too bad relationships they were they were identical and I just decided to back off and never to try it again until I find what’s wrong inside me .

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Ian says October 14, 2017

Thankyou fir your information , it made a lot of sense like so many it seems I have been looking for answers , trying to understand why I put up with the abuse, silent treatment , being treated with contempt and disgust when I ever stepped out of her guidelines of our relationship , bring put back on ” the baby steps regime” if I didn’t confirm or being told I was ” clearly the girl in the relationship ” if I ever showed emotion to her abusive and demeaning behaviour towards me before instructing me that I was crazy and having conversations in my head again .
My name is Ian , I am an abuse survivor from now my ex fiancé after being picked up and cast away three times , each time being dumped by email . Not all men are narsasist , my ex is a woman who are just as capable and sometimes worse of having these traits , why worse ? Because society , the law and public opinion all thinks it’s the man and treats them accordingly , when you are a man being abused , nobody will listen or take you seriously , I just lived in hope of a life requested and promised by her ! , she just abused me and our relationship .

Thankyou for the article , it helped X

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Anonymous says September 7, 2017

Great article. Thank you!

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Anonymous says June 15, 2017

Some men are more carful than others, my lies all the time, sabotage everything I do,, with my children, work , my weight, he would never call me anything he knows all hell would break loose, but he manipulates, me , acts if he doesn’t know what I’m talking about, but one bad fight he slipped up , and it came out he really believes he does nothing wrong , it’s always I’m not saying its you but, ya!

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Anne says May 27, 2017

I went No Contact. Once I was safely moved out I told him via email. He kept texting and e-mailing stating ‘He just wanted to understand….blah blah blah’. I flat out said No, I’m done. No, I don’t want to talk to you. I haven’t. I changed my number. I blocked him on email and social media. I also blocked anyone who I thought would supply him with info from my social media.

I was with him for 2 1/2 years. I’m rebuilding my life, my career and my finances. I taking myself on vacation this coming fall. I’m enjoying some me time.
I’m not healed yet. I’m angry. I’m more angry now than I was when we split. I feel I need to see a therapist to work through my recovery.

I will get there . I thank you for all the info , its helped.

Anne

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Davina says May 24, 2017

Thank you for the article, Kim. Once again you are spot on. In the relationship we had focused our attention, time and emotion to the narc. Once we are out of it, it is really the time to stop the narc wasting more of our time (i.e putting way too much energy and time in researching them without end.) At the preliminary stage of healing, knowledge about narcissism is necessary, but to focus on our own healing is even more crucial.

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Pat says May 19, 2017

And people wonder why the suicide rate is so high. Everyone has narcissistic behaviors. Most people also exhibit obsessive, compulsive, dependent, etc.. behaviors as well. It’s interesting that you characterize a “narc” as having no empathy. But apparently you and most of the people who replied on this board do have empathy for others. Right? When have you ever put yourself in the “shoes” of the person you labeled as a narc? Many narcs feel like they have been wronged by others. They feel like they have never been good enough for anyone because of their experiences. They are shunned by many in society. Have any of you “put yourselves in their shoes” for even an hour? Some people need to be liked by many in order to feel self worth. Others prefer to be alone. Why not bash them? Most people today claim to care for other people. What is care? Care= worry. You and most people that have commented clearly care about yourselves. You do things for yourself because you worry about your life and outcomes. Narcs have a need for admiration because nobody admires them. You would too if nobody admired you. A narc can spend 20+ hours planning something for someone else and get no credit. While you spend 30 minutes and because you were there at the right time, presented yourself in the right way, planned it perfectly so you would be seen as a good person, and you get the credit and admiration. Of course you don’t need admiration because you get it all the time! Your whole life revolves around making decisions that place you in the best position to be viewed positively by others. While your actions revolve around you. If I asked you what disorder do you call that- you’d say “Smart”. Next time you are waiting on line at a TSA checkpoint and think for even a second that you should had gotten a pre-check pass, you are demonstrating a narcissistic behavior. The narc just gets the pre-check pass before she gets to the airport.

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    thePINCH says May 20, 2017

    I can’t speak for everybody, but most of the people on this blog are here because something very terrible happened to them as a result of an individual(s) who exhibited a distinct pattern of behaviour which is linked to narcissism and/or other personality disorders.

    This is a healing site that allows those who have been hurt to express themselves freely and heal.

    If you have been affected by narcissistic behaviour, you are in the right place. If you are not sure, or think that you yourself may be a narcissist, this writer encourages you to observe and learn more about the condition.

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    Caron says April 23, 2019

    Hi Pat. I understand why you might feel that way. But narcissism can be healthy and it can be unhealthy. Everyone has the capability to exhibit both. In the narcissist/empath relationship, the dynamic is for the narc to do something unreasonable and the empath to try to sooth and keep peace. Yes, we have all put ourselves in the shoes of our narcs, the problem is that they can’t be understood from the empath’s viewpoint. They live in a different reality. For instance, shortly after we got married, my new husband dumped me because I didn’t hear his alarm and wake him for work (I was sleeping, and he didn’t hear his alarm either). He never apologized. He might have been mad at being late, but his blaming me was perfectly acceptable in his mind, and breaking up with me was an appropriate response. Now I understand what I was dealing with, but back then I was hurt and confused and worried about my new marriage. We might have been a month in. Now I know he probably was already sleeping with or getting ready to sleep with someone else, so he didn’t need me anymore. It could just have easily been that I didn’t match his socks perfectly, or I burned the bacon. I understand him, but that doesn’t make his emotional abuse of me justifiable or acceptable.

    I am capable of being quite narcissistic, particularly after sustained abuse, as in when he told me for three days that I was ugly and then discarded me. I didn’t know it then, but he already had girlfriends. I’m not ugly. After the sustained abuse I went nearly crazy with retaliation and needing it to stop. I fought back and for my efforts I was hit so repeatedly that I felt I needed to pull my gun on him or he wouldn’t stop.

    The thing people tend not to understand is that narcissists don’t act this way because they want to, they act this way because they have to. It is some need they have inside that, combined with their entitlement mentality, makes them feel free to lie, cheat, berate, abuse, etc. if you can empathize with the viewpoint that abusing someone is acceptable, more power to you. As for me, I know why he did it, and it is not okay. It never will be. He would never have stopped. I had to make him stop.

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pamgrovey says May 16, 2017

I know my husband is passive/aggressive and an addict. I have been separated for over a year and filed for a divorce. I knew he emotionally abused me because he was under extreme stress. At the time I didn’t know he was taking painkillers. My therapist kept telling me to hang in there because he believed my husband would get better.

I finally did some research on narcissism and passive/aggressive. If I’d known 7 years ago that it’s hard for narcs and PA’s to change I would have left years ago, because I thought things would change after he retired. He only got worse because of his addiction.

I’m working on trying to forgive the therapist, his Dr and of course my husband.

I did have a breakdown because I didn’t understand his behavior and the therapist gave me false hope.

I don’t think I’ll be able to trust another man for a long time. Addictive and passive/aggressive behavior is very painful to live with and I never want to go through it again.

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Savannah says May 12, 2017

Hi Kim I’m the owner of Esteemology.com. I have reported the website http://www.themindsjournal.com to Google for stealing at least three of my blog posts – I’ve noticed she has also a few of yours. I’m assuming that they were taken without your permission. Her page needs to be shut down. In the age of Google’s Panda algorithm it’s important not to have duplicate content. You can report her here:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/dmca-notice?pli=1&

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    Kim Saeed says May 23, 2017

    Hi Savannah!

    Thank you for reaching out (and kudos on your site redesign!) I had been sending over some articles to her site because I thought it might help with traffic. Instead, it had no effect at all on my traffic and my Google ranking has gone down since the last Google algorithm update. I’ve notified her that I won’t be able to share articles on her site any longer.

    Thanks for the heads up, though! It was very thoughtful of you!

    Warmly,

    Kim Saeed

    P.S. – I will use the link you sent to report some other sites that have scraped my articles, though!

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Anonymous says May 10, 2017

Thank you so much for your articles..sometimes i just check it at same time i am going through same feelings…it is amazing..just like reading my thoughts. I have been with a Narcassist for almost 7 years now and maintained no contact for 6 months now although havent been yet through divorce papers however it has been much better to do no contact since then. I am going through a really tough recovery period and trying to get hold of myself again.

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    Kim Saeed says May 11, 2017

    Thanks for sharing, Anon. Wishing you all the best in your recovery.

    Kim XoXo

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No more confusion says May 9, 2017

My mother is a narcissist. It took me all of 53 years to see everything in Black and White and come out of my heartbroken hopeful confused heart. I just turned 54 I have 21 years sober. I have worked on myself to maintain my sobriety. There is only one reason to stay in contact with my mother now that I know the truth. Inheritance. I wouldn’t have to talk to her very often at all and allow her to continue to play her games but now not let them bother me because I can see right through her and understand what’s really going on. I’m feeling angry and selfish in terms of playing her games to get inheritance. I Believe I Can Do This and now maintain peace of mind and serenity and at least get something for all these years of abuse that she’s giving me. I guess you could call it money for pain and suffering. What is your opinion on this? I’d really like to know.

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Kathie Kirkpatrick says May 9, 2017

Luv that I found you kim. I divorced my husband but 31 years of that abuse has taken it’s toll. But thru support pages and blogs I am pulling myself back up. I lost my family my child my friends as a result of his behavior and from my downfall. But I am a survivor and I will find myself again. Thanks for being there for us all.

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    Kim Saeed says May 11, 2017

    Thank you for your kind praise, Kathie. Just remember, it’s never too late to be happy.

    Kim XoXo

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Deb says May 9, 2017

I have been dealing with twin nieces that I helped raise due to their father passing away and their mother deserting them. It has taken me several years of abuse from these girls to realize they were killing me. I had to finally realize that I was going to have to have no contact whatsoever to survive; however, it hurts and I miss their children terribly.

Thank you for you articles. I am hoping I can learn how to accept this.

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Lisa says May 9, 2017

Thank you for the article, very timely for me right now.
What are some of the books you would recommend?

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yolanda says May 9, 2017

I really appreciate all this. I recognize myself in every single line. I am trying to get out of a toxic relationship. We broke more than 20 times, and he is always back and many times i got him back, believing he is gonna change.
he doesn´t leave me alone, even if i block him, he will pop up in my house eventually, which makes thing more difficult.
i want to live a good life surrounded with love, i thought it was love, but no, love shouldnt hurt.

Kim, you are helping many people, i didn´t know many people are suffering the same. i thought my case was especial, i was special. you are really giving some important tips in the way to recover.

thanks for being there, and being a light of sun for many of us. you give us hope

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    No more confusion says May 9, 2017

    You are very special 🙂 I have two words for you, restraint order. In my recent research I’ve been learning they won’t come around anymore if they know that you know what they’re really doing. So I’m no expert at this but maybe you could find a way to let him know that you’re not falling for his tricks anymore. When he believes this this you won’t be of any use to him and he will go away. If that doesn’t work and you truly want peace of mind and to get better a restraint order should do the trick. Just my two cents again I’m not an expert.

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      yolanda says May 10, 2017

      Thanks very much for your answer Kim. I forgave him so many times,he knows im quite naive, im very empathic, im a volunteer in my free time, i travelled in Peru, poor countries, to help others in my holidays. i have two kids who i have raised by myself as my exhusband left me. now we are in good terms, and we are divorced but being a good father, and paying the fees for kids and so on.My mum died a couple of years ago, in that moment, we met, i felt not strong, and probably thats how all started to happen. Othewise, i wouldn´t be in this situation, i think. He abused verbally, one day he loved me, other day, he hated me. but sometimes the honeymoon, lately , honeymoon lasted very little. one time, i even forgave him he was unfaithful to me.. i don´t why i did it.. maybe, i was afraid of being alone. This time, i know his tricks. through reading your blog and all people comments , i knew whats happening, i didn´t want to see the reality or accept it. I thought it was love. i thought he would change. always the possibility, never reality. i idealized love probably. He thinks he can get me back again thats why he keeps on trying, i am not answering him any sms, calls, or even when he pop up at home, i don´t open door. i think thats the best way. no contact !! when i see him, i feel vulnerable and he knows that. its is hard, and very sad to accept he might be with other women at the same time. it feels so disgusting. i can´t believe . i thought our history was unique and you opened my eyes. i will be strong, you mentioned in 30 days , everything gets better, we are born to be loved, not to be used. thanks again. have a beautiful day 🙂

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      yolanda says May 10, 2017

      It might be a good idea, in case he is bothering me, sending him a message saying i wont´fall for your tricks anymore. That could help. the worst thing you can do to a narcissist is ignore him.

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Julian says May 9, 2017

Great article
It’s good to push people away from being sucked into the wrong thoughts – your points ‘what matters instead’ are very important and true. I am recovering from 20 years with my narcissistic partner (who won’t be soon), your points indicate how we end up as we are, but what matters most is not being that same thing – letting go of the past is very important to healing – it’s taken me 3 years so far, of self-isolation and sabotage, but the calmest 3 years in 20 – it only gets better – your point on what matters are spot on to successfully climbing to out.
Cheers

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Teresa Jane Sykes says May 9, 2017

Its true, I have a friend Who IS obsessed with the narcs. She was married to one and left the relationship two years ago. I reached out to her after my experience 6 months ago.
I noticed the other week that she seems stuck in the narcs behaviour, why how etc, and shows very little interested in healing herself.
What does H.O.P.E. mean? Im New to this channel.

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Kori says May 9, 2017

This is so true. I spent so much time trying to understand him and why he did the things he did. But it was just distracting me from what was really relevant…that what he was doing WAS NOT OKAY, regardless of why he was doing it. Once I focused on myself, my boundaries, and loving myself for who I was, I was able to finally see clearly. I needed to stop focusing on HIM and focus on me. Focusing on him was just fueling the whole notion that it was all about him, which was part of the problem to begin with.

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samuel says May 8, 2017

after 20 years being married to a NPD woman, I find that going no contact to not be so easy especially with 2 teenage daughters who still live with her and manifesting signs of parental alienation (the worst form of abuse)from their mother.
Whats a man to do? Which way is up?

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Kim says May 8, 2017

I just had a very violent end to 7 month narcissistic exboyfriend. I’m so hurt and angry I don’t know what to do.

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Phoenix Rising says May 8, 2017

Thank You Kim 🙂

I agree totally & have pretty much come to the same conclusion as you have summed up here. Thank You for all your wisdom & support as, I share all of your advice on an awareness page to help others. To me it is an individual journey as, everyone is different & so is the level of awakening. Some get to run the whole gauntlet & break free from abuse while others are not ready, not illuminated nor understand what toxic abuse is & what the tolerance of it truly means to the individual. We have to accept our part in the abuse too, with our underlying self worth issues & co-dependency traits plus, generational behaviors that have been passed down as you discussed. Once you realise your worth & your ability to be alone yet, not lonely, you are liberated forever & it is beautiful. I now live in my own reality & truth that is not manipulated or controlled/contrived by someone else or through others perceived ideas. I live without judgement (which is hard) but, I am incredibly more authentic.I hope this makes sense & I guess I am no longer a sheep nor a herder but, rather I am free to roam & live in love with life. 🙂 Love & Light to you.

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ThePinch says May 8, 2017

My ex bf is a full blown psychopath with some borderline for good measure.

What happened too me? I’m intelligent, attractive, and well educated. And my bf was calling me a ‘whore” and telling me to f off.

My psychiatrist helped me identify that my father was a psychopath. So was my ex husband. My mother was Borderline. My ex bf was, in effect, a perfect combination. A perfect fit.

Now I know where my sickness came from.

In time I saw that he used his good looks on women throughout the neighbourhood for whatever he wanted. I knew that the sex was an act because any attempt to get him to try something off script was disregarded. It was all about what he read somewhere,not what mattered to me. He harassed and terrified my friends and tenants. He lied and stole from me. He gave me a social disease.

I’m totally clean today, by God’s grace, and recovering quite well, thanks to Kim and all of you!

I am glad i lived long enough to make a change. I’ve been n/c 15 weeks, lost 18 lbs, and finally had the guts NOT to have a face lift.

I am more than “good enough”. I’m damn good.

Thankyou.

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Kay says May 8, 2017

How do i get out at the expense of my innocent children? Every time i make a move of no contact, they are put thru hell. He takes it out on them. They, in turn, blame me. He has created such a storm of lies and deceit that i wouldnt believe me. They, as i have, scramble for every crumb of attention he throws our way. I am afraid of what he will do. He is a police officer and has made threats. He has alienated everyone from me. He has built this case against me that i cant fight him in court even if i had the resources at this point. Have been bullied and coerced out of every penny and he has the children, everyone, believing these lies. I feel exposed and scared . I hear myself going thru the past decade in my head over and over and i sound crazy to me!

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    RaShar Hardin says May 8, 2017

    Totally understand..They alienate the children use them…It’s my worry…You’re not alone…Prayers.

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Debbue says May 8, 2017

Thank you Kim… what you have succeeded in doing by writing this is actually to reframe ways of thinking. Alot really doesn’t matter .. what matters is today and recognizing the defects and not subjecting oneself to further abuse if possible. The hows and whys can drive one nuts and at the end of the day; we are here because we recognized the signs and symptoms of a very sick, dysfunctional individual. Many are at different stages of healing which is very true. Took me a while, and reading your articles have helped me to be grateful for not getting sucked back in.. Better to live life alone than in constant fear. Thank you so much for insight and clarity. I am much stronger because of having lived through this nightmare. The light at the end of the tunnel is not the light of an incoming train. H.O.P.E… hold on, pain ends.

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    Anonymous says May 8, 2017

    I love the H.O.P.E acronym. I have never heard that before. It made me smile and gave me chills. So profound! Thank you for sharing! ??

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Lee_Lee says May 8, 2017

I have read countless articles over the last 3 years, follow groups with daily posts etc.. but this has hit the nail on the head. Especially point 1. Ultimately, the only research we need to do, and question we need to ask is; Why do I believe I don’t deserve any better? We need to work on helping ourselves and bettering ourselves to be healthy functioning people. Unfortunately, I think, as empaths, we struggle to do so, almost becuse we think it’s selfish to think of ourselves and putting ourselves first when there may be someone who needs us.
This article really helped me today, and was just what I needed to read

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JoAnn says May 8, 2017

I have tried no contact for a good while now. Every so often the narc appears out of nowhere, & kisses my car windshield when I am at a traffic light …yesterday while placing an order at a fast food drive through. I do the gray rock thing, all the while wanting to scream for him to get the hell away or better yet run over him. I have major PTSD when I see him. Then it evolves into being attracted to him…then wondering what he’s doing & who he is with now (his new supply). Also the confusion in thinking “he cares about me, that’s why he hoovers” Have to battle with my mind, making my mind & heart remember, he never cared or loved me, even though he said he did. I pray & long for the day when it won’t affect me anymore.

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    yolanda says May 9, 2017

    Joann, im exactly in the same situation than you. I tried to live my life as i know and realized he is a narcissist, i never thought he was one of them, little by little, understood the problem. I was idealizing him all the time, i thought he was sooo romantic, and in spite of the damage he caused me, i forgave him sooo many times. I even forgave him he was unfaithful to me… how could I ? my scale of values drop. i didn´t know whom i was anymore, i lost myself. it was like a drug.

    im trying to be firm in my decision, even sometimes he appears out of nowhere, in my house, ringing, at work, i exactly know how you feel, i still have feelings and emotions, andevery time i see him, it hurts, because deep inside, i have feelings, now i know this is not love. he doesn´t love me, its just a game if he can get me again, like a trophy, just for his ego.
    good luck, we have to be strong, don´t let these evil persons use us.

    we are humans, not things.

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terri says May 8, 2017

Thank you Kim for all the clarity of thoughts ,simplifying the entire subject of narc abuse is of great benefit as I seem totally disturbed when “He” is mentioned and feel completely absorbed by “His “presence,so from this moment on I promise myself NOT to talk about the incident again, and vow to focus unrelentingly on myself and my beautiful qualities.
Thank you again.

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Tina says May 8, 2017

GREAT article. You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I did have to educate myself on convert narcissism to understand exactly what had happened to me. I already knew what a grandiose narcissist was, but the covert narcissist was an animal I didn’t know or recognize. That information was essential in order that I know what to look for in the future; Good guys who were not good guys, only bad guys doing good deeds for ulterior motives.

I did spend too many years researching narcissism, but only because I didn’t ever want to be caught out again. It did help me, but I’m sure my negative neural pathways are now more like super highways.

There are a number of Narcissistic Abuse websites where people share. I followed two of them for about a week and then had to “unjoin” the groups because it only reactivated the pain of the past. Your article speaks to that exact issue. Thanks so much for stating what many empaths do not yet understand; that reliving the pain over and over again prevents or delays recovery.

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    terri says May 8, 2017

    perfectly put Tina,take loving care of Tina,:)

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CYNDI says May 8, 2017

Thank you for contining to post these and for having me on your mailing list. I am still struggling to free myself. I have managed to make some progess but am still “in” the relationship. Its such a hard place to be and getting your mind to agree with the right thing to do is not easy. So thank you, again, for being there for me in words. cyndi lou

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Samuel Vain says May 8, 2017

Wasn’t sure what I’d yhink reading the article but it’s stuff I have noticed too. Gladly I have not been obsessed with the research, I pick things up quickly and remember well so it all stuck.
This has encouraged me to keep handling the situation as I have been, plus I didn’t fall for the myths. Her personality traits have been clear to me and she’s never been able to pull something on me without getting called on it. Likely why she left, she couldn’t properly feed on me and started using her new best friend. Good luck to her!
Thanks so much for sending me the link to this.

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    Kim Saeed says May 8, 2017

    Hi Samuel! I’m very glad to know you aren’t stuck in obsessive research and that you’re progressing in your recovery. Wishing you all the best. Thanks for stopping by!

    Kim XoXo

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Pamela says May 8, 2017

Wow!! Just wow!! I could have written the list of what was tolerated. Mine was my sister, so I put up with it for 50 years!! Oh, how I wish I would have come across you (and Psychopath Free) 49 years ago. All the sabotaging, etc. I have been NC since 2012 and actually had the opportunity to move to a different state. It’s all behind me now, but I am still healing from the trauma. Love addicted and co-dependent since we were the only two left in our family, I got sucked into it so easily. But NC helped me all the way, and it was YOU, Kim Saeed, who gave me the courage to practice it and walk away. Thank you so much for literally saving my life!!

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    Kim Saeed says May 8, 2017

    Wow, Pamela! You’ve made my day with your kind praise. I am so happy to know I helped you go No Contact and start healing from a life of manipulation and misery. it’s comments like yours that help me know I am fulfilling my calling.

    I wish you all the very best in your continued recovery 🙂

    Hugs,

    Kim XoXo

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Anonymous says May 8, 2017

I agree, and yet I also would like to insert a word of caution. Unless you know what you are dealing with, you can’t heal from the injury.

It has been 15 years sense my husband left me in the most cruel and insensitive manner. I pulled myself together, went to college graduated in Human Communication, went and got my Masters in Mental Health Counseling and did a lot of healing. And yet, I could NOT heal completely. And I just could not understand why I still had problems.

He still was in my life with my kids as a co parent. He would do things that would be SO illogical and cruel to me. My kids would say he was just not smart enough to realize, and everyone else would just tell me I was over reacting. No one would believe it, no one could understand it. Even I couldn’t understand it. I still found people who blamed me for him leaving, he is such a great guy you know. Everyone loves him so what did I do to make him leave.

It was not until now, after 15 YEARS of searching, asking and going to other counselors who told me it was time to “get over it” in essence. That I happened upon your and other’s blogs about what who and how a narcissist operates.

WHAM it hit – my ex was a Narcissist, and a covert one at that. And FINALLY it clicked the last piece of the puzzle was slid into place and my last bit of real healing from the trauma that I did not let myself remember or understand has started to occur.

I feel like a new person, and I can NOW accept and understand – but He had to be labeled, I had to know what I dealt with. And in the knowing, I can take all the negative’s and re-write my story to know that It was not my doing or my fault.

If you DON’T KNOW, YOU CAN’T heal. You just go from one place to another reaching out trying to find a solution without knowing the question.

In essence, healing from years of this type of abuse can be like a dis-ease. It’s like a cancer that even though you think is benign still grows. Because knowing what type of cancer your cutting out, actually does matter. Going after Breast Cancer when someone has Lymphoma will not help one iota.

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    Kim Saeed says May 8, 2017

    Hi Anon,

    Thank you for sharing your story. I am glad to know you’re finally healing. To address your comment, my intention was to caution people against researching narcissism too much because that in itself keeps people stuck for years. I do believe we should educate ourselves about narcissism, but to continue researching it after gaining fundamental knowledge is, in fact, a form of rumination. It sounds like you recently made these discoveries, so I don’t think it necessarily applies to your situation.

    Wishing you all the best in your continued recovery…and thanks for stopping by!

    Kim XoXo

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      Anonymous says May 8, 2017

      Yes, and I completely agree, on one hand it is not good to obsess, and getting stuck is all too easy when you fall into that trap. But on the other it is liberating to understand and know, to be able to label, and to understand what and who you are dealing with.

      I also want to thank you. Your blog on YouTube was one that set me on a path of finally healing. I truly can not explain to you what that has meant to me.

      Your work is extremely valuable. Never doubt it.

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RaShar Hardin says May 8, 2017

I know all of this, don’t care about ” labels” but I’m 40 pregnant with 7 th child (4 are his) and my family disowned me for not being in religion about 20 yrs ago. So I have No support system, why I stay. Not abusive physical but in his ” hoovering and romancing stage which last 2-3 yrs in 2 ND yr) I have no income because 3,4,soon to be 2 yr old and pregnant. I’m saving slowly on side to get out. I have C-section in July and August plan to.return to work( he sabotages alot). My question is, how can you get out with out going to shelters with 7 kids( no room there) and no resources?? I have plan until next March, I have to be quiet and not speak on it, make him think it’s all good to avoid confrontation….What else can I do? I sleep in seperate room, he prides in kids( as trophy of course) so he has 3&4 yr old all night,works 6 days a week. Will pay c.support because he hit oldest son 2 yrs ago and on probation…Plus it matters what ppl think…Which I use to my advantage. Any positive advice would be appreciated….Thanks.

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Anonymous says May 8, 2017

Thanks Kim. This is excellent. Like all your materials. I purchased the Better life Bundle and is reading “how to do no contact like a boss”. I’m on day 4 of no contact. Is it normal to feel extremely anxious, fragile and crying a lot at this stage? I basically just feel like hiding in a closet and never coming out.

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    Kim Saeed says May 8, 2017

    Hi Anon,

    Yes, it’s absolutely normal. At this stage, you’re basically starting your grieving cycle, but also withdrawing from the biological addiction that forms in these toxic relationships. This combination is very challenging, but if you can get through the first 30 days, it starts to get better. Make sure you take great care of yourself during this time.

    Hugs,

    Kim

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      Anonymous says May 8, 2017

      Thank you! <3

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Anonymous says May 8, 2017

Hey, I very much appreciate your guidance & sharing your story, the knowledge of your expertise is a God-send for me. Luv ya

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    Kim Saeed says May 8, 2017

    Thank you, Anon! Luv back at you 🙂

    Kim XoXo

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Mandy Carroll says May 8, 2017

The best thoughts ever…
It does not matter what color it is or how it tastes or anything…
It simply is getting out and healing..Amen.

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    Kim Saeed says May 8, 2017

    Absolutely, Mandy! Glad the article resonated with you 🙂

    Kim XoXo

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    mary says May 8, 2017

    perfectly said

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